Just speculating... I wouldn't be surprised if Frank or Fitt is fired soon. Very soon.

[CRA]

48 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

And changing systems ruin young QBs I’d rather get a GM that had a track record or part of a system that has had success drafting players that fit Reich’s system. 

we shouldn’t be running Frank’s system to begin with.  We should have hired an OC that installed his own.  

[Aussie Tank]

42 minutes ago, CRA said:

we shouldn’t be running Frank’s system to begin with.  We should have hired an OC that installed his own.  

It is a combination of Reich’s and Browns though 

[UnluckyforSome]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

i.e. not Colbert

Who is the name you're hearing?

Polian

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, when the brass and telling everyone that will listen how were ready to compete and win the division then you probably end up last in the division I'm left thinking that maybe these people don't know what they're doing.

I never pay attention to that talk. It's pretty much always bull.

It's what they say privately that matters.

[Mr. Scot]

57 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Polian

Polian was around when they were talking about Reich because he's an old acquaintance.

(and a big fan)

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I never pay attention to that talk. It's pretty much always bull.

It's what they say privately that matters.

Look at what they did. It wasn't bull. Their actions said they absolutely believed it.

[Loyalty4Life]

Tepper kept Rivera for 2 years and Rhule for over 2.  You think he's going to cut bait now on a brand new everything and concede defeat?  As the great philosopher, Honey Boo-Boo once said, "Ya'll better rednecognize!" 

We are winning the division.

[CRA]

13 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

It is a combination of Reich’s and Browns though 

yeah, I mean the base that we installed is Frank's.  The lip service he gives about he takes input is just that.  It's the same poo he ran in Indy and SD.   And the same problems. 

same problems we are seeing here are the same ones that ended up getting him fired in SD and Indy. 

[Mr. Scot]

30 minutes ago, CRA said:

yeah, I mean the base that we installed is Frank's.  The lip service he gives about he takes input is just that.  It's the same poo he ran in Indy and SD.   And the same problems. 

same problems we are seeing here are the same ones that ended up getting him fired in SD and Indy. 

Quotes from Thomas Brown himself...

Thomas Brown has had just more than seven weeks since he agreed to terms to become the Panthers' new offensive coordinator to work on building a new playbook from the ground up.

...

"You come in with the thought process because you understand what you're interviewing for and what job you're about to accept," Brown said. "But it's always different when you get there. There are always new challenges, new ideas that come up, and things you probably haven't prepared for, which is probably part of on-the-job training. I don't care how long you've done it; it's going to always happen to some capacity."

...

Brown's experiences – especially his past with the Rams – color the Panthers' new playbook. Input from head coach Frank Reich and position coaches, along with their roster evaluations, have also played vital roles.

And yes, the playbook was built from the ground up.

"The beginning for myself and the rest of the staff was really breaking everything down to build it back up," Brown said. "So building a brand-new offense from ground zero essentially based on what we've done before, both myself in my previous experiences from the Rams, but also in college as well. Then kind of blending together with what Frank has done, and guys in the room as well."

Thomas Brown dives into the work behind creating all-new playbook

Edited November 1, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Quotes from Thomas Brown himself...

Thomas Brown has had just more than seven weeks since he agreed to terms to become the Panthers' new offensive coordinator to work on building a new playbook from the ground up.

...

"You come in with the thought process because you understand what you're interviewing for and what job you're about to accept," Brown said. "But it's always different when you get there. There are always new challenges, new ideas that come up, and things you probably haven't prepared for, which is probably part of on-the-job training. I don't care how long you've done it; it's going to always happen to some capacity."

...

Brown's experiences – especially his past with the Rams – color the Panthers' new playbook. Input from head coach Frank Reich and position coaches, along with their roster evaluations, have also played vital roles.

And yes, the playbook was built from the ground up.

"The beginning for myself and the rest of the staff was really breaking everything down to build it back up," Brown said. "So building a brand-new offense from ground zero essentially based on what we've done before, both myself in my previous experiences from the Rams, but also in college as well. Then kind of blending together with what Frank has done, and guys in the room as well."

Thomas Brown dives into the work behind creating all-new playbook

again, we saw Frank's O in SD and in Indy.  This is it.  Frank wasn't out there kicking off the season calling plays for some O Brown invented.  They installed Frank's O.   And it's what they spend all camp/preseason working on.  The core is 100% Frank's O.  

Brown is just working within and off that. 

unless your argument is it is just lightning striking twice and a total coincidence that Brown totally invented on his own from the ground up.... something that just happens to be an exact clone of what Frank's poo O is. 

that literally a Panthers.com article.  Panther PR.  Focused on making what was a hands tied OC coming into a season that really wasn't allowed to do his job because of stubborn Frank sound good. 

Don't believe your eyes.  Believe what is coming out of BOA PR room. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

again, we saw Frank's O in SD and in Indy.  This is it.  Frank wasn't out there kicking off the season calling plays for some O Brown invented.  They installed Frank's O.   And it's what they spend all camp/preseason working on.  The core is 100% Frank's O.  

Brown is just working within and off that. 

unless your argument is it is just lightning striking twice and a total coincidence that Browns totally invented on his own from the ground up.... something that just happens to be an exact clone of what Frank's poo O is. 

that literally a Panthers.com article.  Panther PR.  Focused on making what was a hands tied OC coming into a season that really wasn't allowed to do his job because of stubborn Frank sound good. 

So again, no matter what anybody says, including the people directly involved at the time things were actually happening, you still prefer your version of reality.

Right

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So again, no matter what anybody says, including the people directly involved at the time things were actually happening, you still prefer your version of reality.

Right

 

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I never pay attention to that talk. It's pretty much always bull.

It's what they say privately that matters.

How do you determine which talk you listen to and which talk you don't?

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So again, no matter what anybody says, including the people directly involved at the time things were actually happening, you still prefer your version of reality.

Right

You literally are claiming because of a Panthers PR article.....that Frank didn't come in here and install his base offense.  That's batshit lol. 

NFL teams, coaches, front office engages in bologna and "lies".  That's just a proven fact.  You don't have to look any farther than BOA.  Our history.   For that to be undisputed reality. Where they have steadily pumped out bullshit that is just that.   They love X who is totally part of the plan.  Until he is traded/cut the next day.  Can't wait to work with Cam!! We aren't trading CMC.  We are a win now program.  Miles Sanders is a featured every down RB.   The offense is totally working you just can't see it.  I had to wait until the offense was clicking and in a groove before I could hand it over and that time is now...at 0-6 and utter dogwater.  That was always the plan!!!  The meddling owner didn't make me do it.  Here is a link to a Panther PR article as proof. 

So again, you can believe your eyes....or Panther PR.  You once again are choosing Panther PR.  Frank walked in here and installed his base O.  We see it here.  We saw it in Indy.  We saw it in SD.  And the problems we are seeing here are the same ones we have seen everywhere that emerge in his O. 

I'll continue to believe my eyes and not treat the NFL/teams as some mythical truth shop that isn't full of liars and bullshitters that are just trying to look good.   What went down with the Raiders? I guess we should all just tune into what Davis has the PR shop put out.  Because that's going to be the real story.   Anyone that doesn't agree with what Davis has his folks put out there is going to be a conspiracy theorist. 

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How do you determine which talk you listen to and which talk you don't?

Step one: not CRA given that he tends to directly contradict things that are reported from multiple sources. When asked why he thinks a certain way it's always basically "because I said so" 

Realistically though, what reason would Brown have to lie about being the guy who wrote the offense?

Perhaps more to the point, this article was written before the season ever started. Nobody knew how things were going to go.

Are we going to suggest that the Panthers preemptively asked Brown to act as a scapegoat in case Reich failed?

How stupid does that sound?

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Mr. Scot