Bryce Young is very similar to Drew Brees but Panthers nation should be patient

[frankw]

18 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

One similar stat is what people typically refer to as “cherry picking” if it doesn’t suit their narrative.

The most points we've scored all season was with a washed up 35 year old Andy Dalton on the road. Cling to cherry picking if it makes you feel better bud.

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

The most points we've scored all season was with a washed up 35 year old Andy Dalton on the road. Cling to cherry picking if it makes you feel better bud.

When you do it, it's logical, but when anyone else does it, it's cherry picking. Sure.

[Carl Spackler]

Imagine caping for someone who said Bryce's stats are eerily similar to Clausen's, then calling out someone else

[Carl Spackler]

1) make outlandish claim
2) outlandish claim is easily debunked
3) move the goalposts
4) accuse people of coping, caping and being weird
5) condescendingly ask people if they're gonna be OK
6) repeat for months on end

Edited November 8, 2023 by Carl Spackler
left out the all-important step 5!

[frankw]

Carl please stop having a meltdown.

We all want this offense to play better. There are different factors. But right now Bryce Young is at the center of those factors and it's undeniable. Acknowledging reality is not a slight or vendetta against the kid. It's our current predicament.

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, frankw said:

Carl please stop having a meltdown.

We all want this offense to play better. There are different factors. But right now Bryce Young is at the center of those factors and it's undeniable. Acknowledging reality is not a slight or vendetta against the kid. It's our current predicament.

There's Step 5, right on cue.

[Carl Spackler]

The offensive line is at the center of the factors costing the offense, with the QB, WRs and coaching staff also at fault. The definition of "objectivity" is not "single out one problem and conveniently ignore the rest," and it will never be the definition -- not even after you say someone is having a meltdown or after you condescendingly ask if they're gonna be OK.

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, frankw said:

Carl please stop having a meltdown.

We all want this offense to play better. There are different factors. But right now Bryce Young is at the center of those factors and it's undeniable. Acknowledging reality is not a slight or vendetta against the kid. It's our current predicament.

You think Young is the center of our problems?  We have so many you can literally take your pick.  Tepper, Fitt, Reich, Injuries, Lack of Weapons, OL regression, no running game, dropped passes etc....  Young is an issue no doubt so the list is so long it's exhausting.  

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You think Young is the center of our problems?  We have so many you can literally take your pick.  Tepper, Fitt, Reich, Injuries, Lack of Weapons, OL regression, no running game, dropped passes etc....  Young is an issue no doubt so the list is so long it's exhausting.  

We traded a haul to acquire him.

Yes if we cannot get him playing better we are screwed. He is supposed to be our future for the next decade. So yes he is at the center. Nothing else matters.

Edited November 8, 2023 by frankw

[frankw]

9 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

The offensive line is at the center of the factors costing the offense, with the QB, WRs and coaching staff also at fault. The definition of "objectivity" is not "single out one problem and conveniently ignore the rest," and it will never be the definition -- not even after you say someone is having a meltdown or after you condescendingly ask if they're gonna be OK.

Sam Howell has been sacked 40 times. He's in the top ten in two different key QB statistics. You're overplaying your hand.

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

We traded a haul to acquire him.

Yes if we cannot get him playing better we are screwed. He is supposed to be our future for the next decade. So yes he is at the center. Nothing else matters.

I'd argue making that trade with the roster they way it is makes the GM the center of the problem.  If that person thought this was the right move and they continue to make these mistakes we are screwed.  Burns/Rams trade decline to the Burns current situation, CMC trade, Including our only weapon in a trade to draft a QB, paying Hurst and Sanders large contracts for their position, passing on Stroud, struggling to draft well these past 2-3 years.  A rookie QB struggling in this environment is exactly that.  

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I'd argue making that trade with the roster they way it is makes the GM the center of the problem.  If that person thought this was the right move and they continue to make these mistakes we are screwed.  Burns/Rams trade decline to the Burns current situation, CMC trade, Including our only weapon in a trade to draft a QB, paying Hurst and Sanders large contracts for their position, passing on Stroud, struggling to draft well these past 2-3 years.  A rookie QB struggling in this environment is exactly that.  

The GM is on his way out barring a miracle finish. All or part of the coaching staff may be by next season too. Once you go that route you're saddling a new GM or coach with someone else's QB.

Best case scenario is for Bryce Young all circumstances aside to plant his feet in the ground and start looking like one of the best rookies in this class. Further poor play is only going to open more questions and the likelihood for more volatile future outcomes for all involved.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

You think Young is the center of our problems?  We have so many you can literally take your pick.  Tepper, Fitt, Reich, Injuries, Lack of Weapons, OL regression, no running game, dropped passes etc....  Young is an issue no doubt so the list is so long it's exhausting.  

The need to justify picking him is a real problem. If not then switch back the oline blocking. Can't. It would harm Bryce so keep having really bad play and just blame the oline that they built for their new QB.

Owner, FO/Coaches and then having to justify that pick is the chain of blame for the offense in my eyes. None of that is Bryce's direct fault, even with his meh play, but he also can't get away from it either. In a way he is the center of the offensive problems, not him personally but all that he is tied to that has led to the corner they put themselves in. IDK a hostage to the Owners', FO's and coaches' mistakes may be a better way of putting it. They can't even sit him 'to grow' without taking a massive beating. 

[ForJimmy]

16 minutes ago, frankw said:

Sam Howell has been sacked 40 times. He's in the top ten in two different key QB statistics. You're overplaying your hand.

What Sam is doing this year is crazy, but it's a pretty different situation.  One was able to sit nearly his entire rookie season and is in his second year now.  That can make a bigger difference than you think.  That same player has a better OC, better weapons, and a better running game.  Basically WR1, WR2, TE, and RB all favor Washington with our old slow WR beating their's.  Even with all of that Howell is impressing the hell out of me and I wish we had drafted him.  Imagine having Howell with CMC, and DJ Moore still plus all of our picks....