Do you have faith in Dwayne Jarrett's ability to step up next season?

[AceMan]

through the first half of 2007, Foster led the league in first down runs. He wore down heavily late, sure. But he was running very hard in the first eight. With terrible blocking.

And here's where I think you're screwing up, partially with Williams, and partially with Jarrett. Being a back-up and having starting talent are two different things. Jarrett hasn't earned anything on the field. Williams showed flashes and then screwups. He didn't earn his starts until he'd earned them. Having talent is only one part and being a professional is obviously important to Fox, and players who play like professionals flourish for him.

I don't know. Hell. They were the ones that voluntarily brought up that Williams didn't work hard before 2008, argue it with them.

Well I agree with you partly.

I'mma assume you're right on the 1st down runs, but Foster didn't really have any good games overall at the beginning of the season besides the Atl game and maybe the Stl game if you're optimistic. I agree, the blocking wasn't too good but D-Will was being severly underused yet shined in very limited play. I'll drop that argument for now though, but I truly believe D-Will wasn't given a fair shot regardless of work ethic.

The bolded is what gets me. That philosophy has backfired on Fox. He hasn't made it work since 2005. Recently, it has been a become a liability towards the team. I think it is one of the reasons why alot of vets were being let go/cut. My bad about arguing with this. We can both only go off opinion so I agree with that point you made.

One thing I'm seeing over and over here is that people think MOORE will be the reason Jarrett suddenly plays like he played IN COLLEGE. Right? Right. I'm also seeing the blame laid at the feet of Jake. Right? Right.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't Jarrett on the roster when we went 12-4? :wink:

Jake may have played like ass last season, but DJ has been here when he hasn't played like ass. Cough up his rookie year to partying (cue Smitty's playbook comment here), but he must have shown them all nothing in his second season to gain no trust from the coaches and Jake.

Actually, Jarrett did enough in 2008 to beat out Hackett late that season and earn praise from Delhomme. But there was no way he would become #2 or get many opportunities with Jake personally inviting Moose back to Carolina and Fox's offensive gameplan. Also, Jake has an awful habit of focusing almost exclusively on the #1 and #2. In 2008, Jake played below average as well though not as awful as 2009 Jake.

Jarrett did mess up his chance though. We cut Keyshawn for Jarrett to step up and he didn't. And he really hasn't done anything significant to make up for this so I understand why people think he really cant step up. I don't blame you as I can perfectly see that happening.

For me, I remember at the end of the season...they quoted Fox saying "alot of players that got to play didn't deserve to play" or something like that. I just got the feeling that alot of our guys, including Jarrett, are going to step up their game now that they actually have a chance. Wishful thinking?

[YourMomsLover]

I believe he will do good...he has a quarterback to get him the ball now

[AceMan]

The bottom 10 teams have a passer rating of 73 or lower. A lot of those teams didn't have the luxury of a quality QB to play a few games either. We're 7th from the bottom because of moore.

Why is not having playing time such a ray of hope? I would think that if the coaches thought he had what it takes they would have played him by now. They gave UDFA's a chance over him I think that shows something. When a guy doesn't get playing time that's usually considered a bad thing.

I keep hearing all of these theories as to why he doesn't get playing time but when it comes down to it he was not good enough to beat out the competition. The fact that they started to give moore and martin a chance proves they did not think highly of his play. He's not in the doghouse for some trivial problem. He has not played well in his 3 years here, thus he doesn't get playing time.

Maybe 4th times the charm but I really don't know why people can defend him so strongly when he hasn't done anything to earn much praise.

I don't trust John Fox. The bolded can be applied to Matt Moore. John Fox is overloyal so I don't trust his personnel decisions.

Jarrett is very lazy, but at this point... Fox's poor personnel moves outweigh everything for me. Jarrett did okay in 2008 too...

[SorthNarolina]

I don't trust John Fox. The bolded can be applied to Matt Moore. John Fox is overloyal so I don't trust his personnel decisions.

Jarrett is very lazy, but at this point... Fox's poor personnel moves outweigh everything for me. Jarrett did okay in 2008 too...

If fox is over-loyal then why did he play udfa's over the 3 year vet? How did he suddenly become more loyal to moore and martin over jarrett?

He kept matt moore benched behind a vet(jake), foster behind a vet(davis), and williams behind a vet(foster). He never benched thos guys in favor of less experienced young guys.

The bolded does not apply to matt more because he's never been benched for a less experienced undrafrafted rookie. Fox has a history of keeping guys behind vets but he's never benched a guy for such low competition.

[SmootsDaddy89]

maybe it was a wakeup call.

It's very possible. And that's what I have hope for. It's one thing if you're not being activated in favor of guys like Moose and Hackett, it's another if Moore and Martin are being activated over you.

Hopefully he has finally realized how bad it has gotten, and a new receivers coach/quarterback will help him get a fresh start.

As someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, he ALWAYS stands out as the best hands in training camp. It'd be a shame if he doesn't ever figure out how to translate being outstanding in practice to being outstanding on gameday.

[Khyber53]

Great hands are a wonderful asset in sandlot football, but in the NFL you can't just tell a guy to run around until he's open.

I just think he should be released to find another new home or to spend all of that money we've given him for nothing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, at least we got one good year out of Keary Colbert and injuries may have been his downfall. With Jarrett we've gotten, well, nothing to write home about.

Dear Mom,

Enjoying being on the Panthers. I've just about memorized everyone's name and jersey number -- it's really easy to do that from where I sit on the bench, I can read just about everyone's! I really want to learn the playbook, but it isn't like the one on Madden. Oh well, see you soon, keep cashing those checks!

Love, Dwayne.

[carolinanimal]

Great hands are a wonderful asset in sandlot football, but in the NFL you can't just tell a guy to run around until he's open.

I just think he should be released to find another new home or to spend all of that money we've given him for nothing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, at least we got one good year out of Keary Colbert and injuries may have been his downfall. With Jarrett we've gotten, well, nothing to write home about.

Dear Mom,

Enjoying being on the Panthers. I've just about memorized everyone's name and jersey number -- it's really easy to do that from where I sit on the bench, I can read just about everyone's! I really want to learn the playbook, but it isn't like the one on Madden. Oh well, see you soon, keep cashing those checks!

Love, Dwayne.

so you should have stone hands and be really, really fast?:confused:

[nosuchthingasapanther]

If not, he'll be a great 3rd down/Red Zone WR.

he IS a great 3rd down/red zone wr...and he's an even better blocker.

...but he gets the playing time he does just because of his blocking skills.

[Razzy]

He caught almost everything thrown his way by Moore

I think the problem is he only was thrown to about 6 times with jake under center.... I saw his show great skills in the final 3 games. I'd say he could be big.

According to NFL.com he had 5 catches in the game against the saints, and no catches in the 3 previous games.

It will be interesting to watch him. Regardless, we need to bring in more help now.

[PantherDude]

But there was no way he would become #2 or get many opportunities with Jake personally inviting Moose back to Carolina and Fox's offensive gameplan.

Actually, Smitty ask Moose if he want to come back. Jake has nothing to do with it.

And as for faith in Jarrett, I'm starting to lend toward no. Some of you guys can make up all the excuses & denial that Jake didn't help him, when he didn't even look good when Jake wasn't playing. The TD he got from Moore in our last season game was long deserved & all, but that was against the Saints backup players. That isn't enough. If he doesn't step up next season, we need to cut him.

[SorthNarolina]

What I meant was the fact that Dwayne Jarrett had to overcome Jake as his QB pretty much makes your point about rookie WR's outproducing him null and void.

Yeah because Jake Delhome is the only bad QB in the league. Poor, poor Jarrett.

Mohamed Massaquoi overcame Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. The had the worst combined passer rating in the entire league(worse than Delhome's) and he was on the 8th best rushing offense in the leauge.

Brandon Pettigrew was better with Matthew Stafford, Dante Culpepper, and Drew Stanton at QB who combined for the 2nd worse QB rating in the league(worse than Delhome's). And he's a tight end.

Sammie Stroughter was better with Josh Freeman, Josh Johnson, and Bryon Leftwich at QB. They were 3rd worse in the leauge by passer rating(.4 better than Delhome).

Louis Murphy was better with Jarmacus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, and Charlie Frye all throwing to him. They combined for 4th worse in the league.

Bradon Gibson was better with Marc Buldger, Kyle Boller, and Keith Null throwing to him. They combined for 6th worse in the leauge.

None of these guys have the luxury of a QB coming in to play for 5 games with a QB rating of nearly 100. They are all far worse than we are. The Browns and Raiders threw for even less yards than we did.

Please tell me why Jarrett is so special when these rookies can produce better than he has on far worse teams never even getting a sniff of a quality QB. They beat him while playing with poo. Jarrett had gold at QB for 5 games but that's right he could barely beat out UDFA's for the opportunity to even get on the field.

Your excuses are hilarious. I've slapped my knee so hard reading your posts that it's bleeding.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Almost every player you listed started 9, 10, 11 games last year.

We can debate on the reason(s) why Jarrett didn't start 10 or 11 games last year, but comparing his production to players who did is laughable.

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[PantherDude]

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What are you going to do if SLJ neg rep you for that?? Hopefully nothing bad from there. :eek: