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Tebow's pre-Wonderlic prayer request falls flat

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...Jesus himself, a man nobody can still prove even existed...

are you really trying to argue that jesus didn't actually exist? claim he wasn't divine, claim his miracles were frauds, claim what you will, but trying to argue that he never existed historically is buffoonery and intellectual suicide.

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are you really trying to argue that jesus didn't actually exist? claim he wasn't divine, claim his miracles were frauds, claim what you will, but trying to argue that he never existed historically is buffoonery and intellectual suicide.

I don't know if he existed or didn't (i tend to think he did). From the research I've done, if he did exist I do not think he claimed to be god. That theology came about around the time the gospel of John was written which was around 90ish AD. Read the earlier gospels, he claims to be the son of god or the son of man. Not god.

btw i don't think its intellectual suicide to say he likelly didn't exist. Its taught in some colleges, heck my friend went to Belmont Abbey and a priest taught him Jesus probably didn't exist.

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from the research i've done, if he did exist i do not think he claimed to be god. That theology came about around the time the gospel of john was written which was around 90ish ad. Read the earlier gospels, he claims to be the son of god or the son of man. Not god.

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I don't know if he existed or didn't (i tend to think he did). From the research I've done, if he did exist I do not think he claimed to be god. That theology came about around the time the gospel of John was written which was around 90ish AD. Read the earlier gospels, he claims to be the son of god or the son of man. Not god.

if you buy into the trinity (which is pretty clearly stated in the new testament) then the son of god, god, and the spirit of god are all one - jesus' claim to divinity can't be upended on simple terminology conflictions. Moreover, the term "son of man" is a reference to a prophecy in the book of daniel; it's a Messianic title.

btw i don't think its intellectual suicide to say he likelly didn't exist. Its taught in some colleges, heck my friend went to Belmont Abbey and a priest taught him Jesus probably didn't exist.

there is a massive, massive amount of historical evidence that jesus existed, arguably moreso than any other figure in his time period... this really isn't even an issue

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I don't know if he existed or didn't (i tend to think he did). From the research I've done, if he did exist I do not think he claimed to be god. That theology came about around the time the gospel of John was written which was around 90ish AD. Read the earlier gospels, he claims to be the son of god or the son of man. Not god.

btw i don't think its intellectual suicide to say he likelly didn't exist. Its taught in some colleges, heck my friend went to Belmont Abbey and a priest taught him Jesus probably didn't exist.

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So you disagree with what the experts say. This is what is taught in Princeton, Oxford and most colleges that teach Textual Criticism. This is what one of my best friends was taught at Belmont Abbey. Its likely if you have an educated pastor that he was taught this too and choose to have faith that it wasn't true.

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there is a massive, massive amount of historical evidence that jesus existed, arguably moreso than any other figure in his time period... this really isn't even an issue

As I recall, written records of him outside of biblical works are sparse.

Not exactly massive.

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