Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

The Offense and its Impact on Bryce Young and the WR(s) we draft


MHS831
 Share

Recommended Posts

49 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I honestly don't get the "weak arm" point. I wouldn't compare his arm to prime Cam Newton or Josh Allen, but I'd say it's comparable to Drew Brees or Tua. Not elite, but more than good enough. I don't know if he has the lift to throw the ball late on a go-route or a fade going away from him on the other side of the field. But he can complete a first or second option deep route based on arm strength. He wouldn't have won a Heisman playing in the SEC if he couldn't do that. Not as a passing QB. 

Drew Brees and Tua don't belong in the same conversation.

If Tua actually had Brees arm strength the Dolphins would have advanced further in the playoffs.

Tua is the last QB we want to be relegated to comparing our top pick with. Discouraging to say the least.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, CRA said:

is saying we are going to have a strong running game really any different than Frank Reich claiming we are going to have this creative offense that was being held secret? 

Canales has 1 season to his name.  He had the worst rush attack in the NFL. 

I think that's just a coach saying stuff.  Only really way to have a strong rush attack is to line up under C and play old school football....or have an elite rusher.  I don't see how we will be in position to have a strong rush attack this year.  We have average RBs.  Lining up under C all game until we can't and pounding the rock doesn't jive with Bryce Young or developing the former #1 overall we gave up the farm for. 

I think Canales says the run stuff because our QB was bad last year and he knows we got a LOT of work to do on the pass game. 

You could be right--reading tea leaves here. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Drew Brees and Tua don't belong in the same conversation.

If Tua actually had Brees arm strength the Dolphins would have advanced further in the playoffs.

Tua is the last QB we want to be relegated to comparing our top pick with. Discouraging to say the least.

Tua was the #5 pick in the draft. 2nd QB in a draft that included Joe Burrow, Justing Herbert, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts. Tua had all the tangibles coming out of college. Miami got the crap beat out of him early on and he's just now starting to figure the NFL out. But Tua is no scrub - at least not coming out of college. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, rayzor said:

i'll just say this...you're a brave man.

i appreciate the work.

Yeah, I am sure the torch and pitchfork mafia will be coming out of the woodwork (I have not read the thread yet) but if they were better at reading, nobody makes a statement here beyond a comparison to what others have done.  If that triggers personal frustrations that folks cannot deal with, then they are quick to overreact.  I get their pain, however, because it pissed me off a lot last year.  However, I also know that "outside the box" thinking has produced some of the greatest innovations in sports...We used to have straight toed kickers and everybody had a fullback and took snaps under center. 

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Tua was the #5 pick in the draft. 2nd QB in a draft that included Joe Burrow, Justing Herbert, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts. Tua had all the tangibles coming out of college. Miami got the crap beat out of him early on and he's just now starting to figure the NFL out. But Tua is no scrub - at least not coming out of college. 

Did you watch their last playoff game? They have lots of offensive talent. Tua struggled to get them the ball. He's apparently reworked his throwing motion as a last ditch attempt to appease the Dolphins. But they are going to make a move for another QB in the not so distant future no doubt.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Did you watch their last playoff game? They have lots of offensive talent. Tua struggled to get them the ball. He's apparently reworked his throwing motion as a last ditch attempt to appease the Dolphins. But they are going to make a move for another QB in the not so distant future no doubt.

No, I don't think I watched their game. I'll take a look later. So Tyreek had an MVP talk season with a weak armed QB? He's better than I thought. I guess stats don't always tell the story. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, frankw said:

If the gameplan to fix the offense with Bryce as QB is to pass the ball as little as necessary then yeah we're drafting QB next year without a doubt.

LOL...this right here. I mean cot damn, if you have to limit your Qb as much as possible then that means YOU DONT HAVE ONE. Its not rocket science. lol

Edited by CPF4LIFE
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can say that the point here was, at least in part, to gauge the type of WR we may pursue.  None of us can change the QB situation and it is doubtful the Panthers will in 2024.  I can say that when Bryce planted his foot and stepped into the throw, he was money. That rarely happened.

  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

No, I don't think I watched their game. I'll take a look later. So Tyreek had an MVP talk season with a weak armed QB? He's better than I thought. I guess stats don't always tell the story. 

He referenced the playoffs tho lol

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I can say that the point here was, at least in part, to gauge the type of WR we may pursue.  None of us can change the QB situation and it is doubtful the Panthers will in 2024.  I can say that when Bryce planted his foot and stepped into the throw, he was money. That rarely happened.

Bryce's strengths and weaknesses will likely dictate that pick. I don't agree with that approach though. Take the best prospect that will contribute early and often. Particularly that 33rd pick. It should be treated as a late first rounder in terms of contribution. 

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

LOL...this right here. I mean cot damn, if you have to limit your Qb as much as possible then YOU DONT HAVE ONE. Its not rocket science. lol

Where did people go from "a strong running game" to "pass the ball as little as necessary?"  That is a great example of someone twisting a point so that you can argue against it.  Did the Saints have a good running game when Brees was there?  Did they attempt to limit throwing?  So yeah, this is correct but responds to something someone else said.  A running game can help the passing game by keeping the DC honest.  If he must worry about gap control, he is less likely to stunt.  If he is worried about the run, he is less likely to blitz--that does not mean you run it all the time to keep your QB from throwing.  Nobody said that.  It means they have to respect the run.  It is part of the balance.  A team that throws the ball 70% of the time would still benefit from a strong running game. 

  • Pie 3
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It still boils down to sustaining drives and every team we face will have 16 games of tape of Bryce Young throwing the ball. When the run doesn't work which eventually it will get shut down Bryce will have to be able to attack every part of the field with his arm or it's going to be a rerun of 2023.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, frankw said:

It still boils down to sustaining drives and every team we face will have 16 games of tape of Bryce Young throwing the ball. When the run doesn't work which eventually it will get shut down Bryce will have to be able to attack every part of the field with his arm or it's going to be a rerun of 2023.

Very true. Let's just hope the upgrades at oline and WR help him be able to to do that more effectively. Felt like nothing was easy last year and he started to hesitate more and more. He has to get out of his head and just play ball. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • If I said yes, would you believe me? 😄
    • After the way NO killed the good vibe early this season you would hope the Panthers come out fired up and focused this time
    • Barring an extreme shock, the Panthers won't be directly involved in the annual head coaching carousel this seasdon. Still, for those who like to keep up on this sort of thing for the future or just wanna get a line on who we could potentially lose, here's some info. Tom Pelissero does this every year for NFL.com, but the article I'm looking at today is from Sports Illustrated writer Conor Orr. The Top NFL Head Coaching Candidates Teams Will Consider for 2026 As with Pelissero's article (linked below) former Panthers OC Joe Brady is listed as a top candidate, as is another former Panthers OC (who had an arguably more contentious exit) Thomas Brown. He had issues here, but is doing much better these days working with Drake Maye up in Foxboro. Posted below are the Panthers relevant sections of the article. And lemme just add that while the first name mentioned here probably won't surprise you, the second one might. _______________________________ Ejiro Evero, defensive coordinator, Carolina Panthers Evero has been a bright spot on many underperforming teams, having unfortunately gotten his break as a play-calling coordinator with both the Broncos during the pre–Sean Payton era and the Panthers. Still, the reality of Carolina’s defensive turnaround has been stunning. Despite having one of the worst defenses in history last year, the Panthers did not spend a first-round pick on defense and Evero has led a unit that’s allowed 20 or fewer points four times and shut out the division-rival Falcons.  I am sure Evero will one day become a head coach, as evidenced by the fact that he’s continued to receive interviews even during the darkest seasons. Perhaps Carolina’s turnaround, which currently has the Panthers tied with the Buccaneers atop the NFC South. Brad Idzik, offensive coordinator, Carolina Panthers Idzik, 34, the son of longtime respected NFL personnel man John Idzik Jr., is an analytical mind valued by Dave Canales not only for his data-driven approach to the game but the way he can develop talent and place talent into advantageous positions. The potentially playoff-bound Panthers have completed a stunning turnaround while simultaneously grooming a young core of players, from first-round talents all the way to undrafted free agents. _______________________________ I'll also throw in a couple of additional indirectly Panthers related mentions: Drew Terrell, pass-game coordinator/wide receivers coach, Arizona Cardinals Terrell left the Commanders in 2022 for Arizona with a promotion that includes coordination responsibilities. The Stanford receiver and special teams ace has been in the NFL coaching ranks since 2018, climbing the ladder from quality control coach with the Panthers to pass-game coordinator with the Cardinals. Frank Smith, offensive coordinator, Miami Dolphins Smith has been a mainstay on our list for the past few seasons, with his former head coach at Butler, Jeff Voris, telling me for a previous list that, “Interviewing him was one of the most unique experiences I ever had. When [Frank and I started together], we hadn’t won a game in two years, an 18-game losing streak. He became my right-hand man, and in four years, we were 11–1, won a championship and he was the offensive coordinator doing the whole thing. I became his assistant coach at some point.” As the totality of Miami’s roster-building struggles comes into full view, seeing Smith and head coach Mike McDaniel build a successful offense without much in the way of resources continues to be a strong case in Smith’s favor. He last interviewed for a head coaching job with the Panthers in 2024, when they hired Dave Canales. _______________________________  I only vaguely remember Terrell. I do recall Smith being a guy some folks really wanted to get our head coaching job before they went with Canales. It might be a down year for the Dolphins, but Smith is apparently still getting attention. Lastly, as mentioned above, here's the Pelissero version for those who want to review what it says. 2026 NFL head coach hiring cycle: 24 young candidates to know
×
×
  • Create New...