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What Are Your Top Offseason Targets Now That Bryce Young Is Showing Promise?


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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

oh my god, wait a minute, are you telling me that the best player in college was drafted #1 overall almost 15 years ago?

How did I miss that, you're right, the best player in college in any given year should be the #1 overall pick regardless of anyone else in the draft or how else their game translates to the NFL.

Teams really screwed up by not taking The Golden Calf of Bristol #1 overall... or even someone like Eric Crouch.

My god, how did Troy Smith fall to the 5th round after being the best player and winning the Heisman.

You've cracked the code that NFL teams have somehow missed for all these decades, always take the best collegiate player first overall, you can't fail.  

Johnny Manziel would have been an NFL stud if he went #1 overall

And at no point did I ever say those other players should be drafted #1. You usually know who the #1 pick players are. Hunter fits that criteria this year like Cam did.

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1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It's not. He's the best player in college football. He's going to win the Heisman. He was the best player coming out of highschool. At some point you have to accept he's just damn good.

 

You can't move the goalpost. Cam was the best college football player and the Heisman proved that. Same with Hunter.

 

Y'all seem to hate Colorado and don't want to give them any type of credit. I'm just curious why are other people rating him the #1 prospect?

 

 

Yep, nobody wants to give them/him any credit.

We're saying he's a generational collegiate talent and the best player in the nation who is the 2nd best player at his possible positions and a Top 10 pick

But nope, we refuse to give him any credit at all.

His high school ranking should clearly factor over everything else.

You know who else was the #1 rated player in High School, who won the Heisman trophy, and ended up as the #1 overall pick?

Bryce Young

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13 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Remember how we got Cam Newton in the draft who happened to be the best college player...

You gotta "kill your darlings" man. I was a huge Mason Graham guy to start but I've entirely moved to Tet McMillan as my #1. You gotta think big picture. Right now teams are still stacking the box on us because we don't have a #1 WR. Put T-Mac out there and now you HAVE to stop playing 8 in the box on D with Bryce playing the way he is. It unlocks too much of the offense, and to top it off he is supernatural at catching the football, something we desperately need more than anything else. My #2a and #2b are Mason Graham and Will Johnson, #4 is Abdul Carter with my #5 being Travis Hunter, Just the way the cookie crumbles.. I want edge help but this draft is loaded and we have enough capital to honestly get 2 edge rushers this draft. 

Travis just isn't going to open up the offense regardless if he is in for 5 snaps or 30 the same way TMac would. He isn't shutting down WR's like Johnson is either, he's a ballhawk CB and a gadget player on offense in the NFL, very nice for a 5-10 range pick but Bryce would make T Mac the ORotY easily.

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2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

And at no point did I ever say those other players should be drafted #1. You usually know who the #1 pick players are. Hunter fits that criteria this year like Cam did.

you're literally pointing to his HS ranking, his possible Heisman trophy, his stats, as the reasons he should be the top prospect.

You can't say all that and then belittle someone pointing out how past college stat stuffers and heisman winners doesn't make someone a great NFL player.  

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Just now, tukafan21 said:

Yep, nobody wants to give them/him any credit.

We're saying he's a generational collegiate talent and the best player in the nation who is the 2nd best player at his possible positions and a Top 10 pick

But nope, we refuse to give him any credit at all.

His high school ranking should clearly factor over everything else.

You know who else was the #1 rated player in High School, who won the Heisman trophy, and ended up as the #1 overall pick?

Bryce Young

Who is we're?

 

Buddy you in the minority on this debate. It's clear the people who actually get paid to project these prospects see it differently than you.

 

I honestly feel bad that you keep trying to make this a debate. I want Tmac just like you, but he's not a better prospect than Hunter. It's just a fact.

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2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It's not. He's the best player in college football. He's going to win the Heisman. He was the best player coming out of highschool. At some point you have to accept he's just damn good.

 

You can't move the goalpost. Cam was the best college football player and the Heisman proved that. Same with Hunter.

 

Y'all seem to hate Colorado and don't want to give them any type of credit. I'm just curious why are other people rating him the #1 prospect?

 

 

I don't hate Colorado. He may be the top prospect on a lot of boards, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best at a single position. Using Madden scores here for ease, so could be an overall 99, 97 as a WR and 96 as a CB and still be 2nd ranked at each position. He won't be used on the field playing both ways. He's going to be one or the other with possibly a play or 2 a game on the other side of the field. It's not a slight against him at all, just an observation of how it's going to work once he reaches the NFL level. 

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2 minutes ago, thunderraiden said:

You gotta "kill your darlings" man. I was a huge Mason Graham guy to start but I've entirely moved to Tet McMillan as my #1. You gotta think big picture. Right now teams are still stacking the box on us because we don't have a #1 WR. Put T-Mac out there and now you HAVE to stop playing 8 in the box on D with Bryce playing the way he is. It unlocks too much of the offense, and to top it off he is supernatural at catching the football, something we desperately need more than anything else. My #2a and #2b are Mason Graham and Will Johnson #4 is Abdul Carter with my #5 being Travis Hunter, Just the way the cookie crumbles.. I want edge help but this draft is loaded and we have enough capital to honestly get 2 edge rushers this draft. 

Travis just isn't going to open up the offense regardless if he is in for 5 snaps or 30 the same way TMac would. He isn't shutting down WR's like Johnson is either, he's a ballhawk CB and a gadget player on offense in the NFL, very nice for a 5-10 range pick but Bryce would make T Mac the ORotY easily.

I've used the comparison a bunch of times, but to me, Hunter is much more Reggie Bush than Charles Woodson.

Bush was a legit generational college player, who's game didn't perfectly translate to the NFL, so he just never was going to be a true NFL star.

Woodson was a generational college player for similar reasons to Hunter, but he also was just a legit true HOF shutdown corner.

I think Hunter falls somewhere between them, but I think he's more of the collegiate freak than the sure fire NFL HOFer.

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3 minutes ago, thunderraiden said:

You gotta "kill your darlings" man. I was a huge Mason Graham guy to start but I've entirely moved to Tet McMillan as my #1. You gotta think big picture. Right now teams are still stacking the box on us because we don't have a #1 WR. Put T-Mac out there and now you HAVE to stop playing 8 in the box on D with Bryce playing the way he is. It unlocks too much of the offense, and to top it off he is supernatural at catching the football, something we desperately need more than anything else. My #2a and #2b are Mason Graham and Will Johnson #4 is Abdul Carter with my #5 being Travis Hunter, Just the way the cookie crumbles.. I want edge help but this draft is loaded and we have enough capital to honestly get 2 edge rushers this draft. 

Travis just isn't going to open up the offense regardless if he is in for 5 snaps or 30 the same way TMac would. He isn't shutting down WR's like Johnson is either.

I literally been screaming Tmac for the past month. What are you even trying to debate?

 

You just jumping into conversations talking lol

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4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Yep, nobody wants to give them/him any credit.

We're saying he's a generational collegiate talent and the best player in the nation who is the 2nd best player at his possible positions and a Top 10 pick

But nope, we refuse to give him any credit at all.

His high school ranking should clearly factor over everything else.

You know who else was the #1 rated player in High School, who won the Heisman trophy, and ended up as the #1 overall pick?

Bryce Young

Chris Weinke won the Heisman too. 

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1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I don't hate Colorado. He may be the top prospect on a lot of boards, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best at a single position. Using Madden scores here for ease, so could be an overall 99, 97 as a WR and 96 as a CB and still be 2nd ranked at each position. He won't be used on the field playing both ways. He's going to be one or the other with possibly a play or 2 a game on the other side of the field. It's not a slight against him at all, just an observation of how it's going to work once he reaches the NFL level. 

He's not the best DB?

 

My goodness dude!

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1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Who is we're?

 

Buddy you in the minority on this debate. It's clear the people who actually get paid to project these prospects see it differently than you.

 

I honestly feel bad that you keep trying to make this a debate. I want Tmac just like you, but he's not a better prospect than Hunter. It's just a fact.

This isn't a Hunter vs T-mac debate for our draft pick

It's objectively looking at Hunter, what he does well, where he struggles, and projecting that at the next level.

You get all butt hurt when someone says he isn't the #1 prospect and think saying he's #2 at his position and a Top 10 pick is an insult.

And yes, T-Mac is 100% a better WR prospect than Hunter, literally not even a debate about that.  If you want to debate Hunter as CB vs a WR in T-Mac, that's fair, but that's then position based.

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2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

He's not the best DB?

 

My goodness dude!

no, he's not, he's the 2nd best CB when you're projecting their future NFL prospects.

Johnson's size is a big factor there, just like Hunter's lack of size and him battling injuries all 3 years in college is a factor.

He's slim, it doesn't help his chances of staying healthy in the NFL when he can't do it in college, even if part of the reason is the number of snaps he's played, as that just means he has so much more miles on his body than the average draft prospect.

You can't ignore these things when projecting players at the next level, the fact that you want to, is proof that you live in a Madden lens of how to view everything, not a real world on the field of NFL football.

And again, nobody is saying he's an awful prospect, just that he's the 2nd best at either position, that you think that is an insult to him is just comical.

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