If fox is let go does hurney stay?

[PantherBrew]

Tom Brady

Big Ben

Manning

Panthers have more wins since 2002

Panthers have more wins since 2002, and Jerry Reese is in his third year.

Are you one of those guys who throws out the instructions when you set out to build something? You don't seem to pay close attention to what you read...

Pwned.

[Lout]

Hurney is one of the best GM's out there.. period. If you think otherwise, you are ignorant.. to spell it bluntly. He is a cap genius, and he is one of the best talent evaluators out there. Yes, he makes some mistakes with extensions, and that is considered his downfall, but he can manipulate the cap better than anyone.

[jramsey4]

Tom Brady

Big Ben

Manning

Panthers have more wins since 2002

Panthers have more wins since 2002, and Jerry Reese is in his third year.

Are you one of those guys who throws out the instructions when you set out to build something? You don't seem to pay close attention to what you read...

I spend too much time as it is reading crap posted by most on this board, you start to skim.

So I guess we just dismiss the fact they have all found that Franchise QB while Hurney has not. Its funny you ask who has done a better job of I give you the Patriots and you say Tom Brady, and he was a 6th round pick, as your reason for excluding them in this argument.

Where would this team be if they hadn't of gotten Beason? Lets just throw out suceess in the draft as reason why a FO is good. Man that makes sense.

And the Mannings were found because there FO had the balls to take a QB at number 1. Before this season Hurney hadn't selected a QB prior to the 4th.

[Cyberjag]

I spend too much time as it is reading crap posted by most on this board, you start to skim.

So I guess we just dismiss the fact they have all found that Franchise QB while Hurney has not. Its funny you ask who has done a better job of I give you the Patriots and you say Tom Brady, and he was a 6th round pick, as your reason for excluding them in this argument.

Where would this team be if they hadn't of gotten Beason? Lets just throw out suceess in the draft as reason why a FO is good. Man that makes sense.

And the Mannings were found because there FO had the balls to take a QB at number 1. Before this season Hurney hadn't selected a QB prior to the 4th.

Brady was a once in a generation stroke of luck. Manning was there because the Colts sucked so bad that they got the number one overall pick. Big Ben was there because the Steelers sucked bad enough to get him.

When Hurney got the job we were 1-15 the year before and had the second overall pick. Instead of drafting a QB high, who would have been Joey Harrington, he took Peppers. Since then he's struck out on Aaron Rodgers, and that's it. That argument has been presented, shot down, cleaned, dressed, and cooked on these boards time and again, but since you skim I guess you haven't ever read one or thought the QB situation through.

When you don't lose big, you don't get a Franchise QB. Would you trade GMs with Detroit or St. Louis? I wouldn't, there's a reason they're always drafting high. One of the reasons everyone's so high on Clausen is because we actually got a potential franchise QB for the first time since Collins, and we got it in the second round.

Hurney is one of the best GMs in the league, and with most it isn't even close. When the cupboard was bare he drafted well and stocked the team with free agents and we ended up going to the Super Bowl. He found and hired Fox. He's drafted very well over the years, to the point that most of our roster is truly ours. He's found starters on other teams scrap heaps.

I know you want a GM who can come down on the field, play QB and WR, then on D play on the line and get a bunch of sacks, all the while putting together a brilliant game plan that leads us to an undefeated season, but that guy doesn't exist. The ones who can manage the cap, maintain a high talent level, and draft well are few and far between, and we have one of the best in Carolina. Good enough that he doesn't need to sign a contract to know he has job security.

[jramsey4]

So I guess we are just going to ignore all his mistakes and only focus on his successes, man I'm glad your not the owner. Ignore that his decision to tagged Pep pretty much ruined the 2009 season, his countless mistakes in the 2nd, or his numerous high-priced FA busts. BTW I wish people hear would stop living in 2003 that was 7 years ago. We have a grand total of 3 guys still on our roster from then.

And because you have ignored my saying so in almost every post I will say it again, I think Hurney is a good GM but I am not going lose any sleep if he walks. He really didn't start becoming a good drafting GM until Gregory took over. And to beat you to it I know about his sucess in the 1st but past that before Gregory he was very suspect once you got out of the 1st.

[Khyber53]

Both will receive contract extensions after this season.

[carolinanimal]

Hurney is a good gm not the best in the league. i dont know how you can say a gm is the best or one of the top gms when his franchise hasnt had back to back winning seasons ever!

[AceMan]

So I guess we are just going to ignore all his mistakes and only focus on his successes, man I'm glad your not the owner. Ignore that his decision to tagged Pep pretty much ruined the 2009 season, his countless mistakes in the 2nd, or his numerous high-priced FA busts. BTW I wish people hear would stop living in 2003 that was 7 years ago. We have a grand total of 3 guys still on our roster from then.

And because you have ignored my saying so in almost every post I will say it again, I think Hurney is a good GM but I am not going lose any sleep if he walks. He really didn't start becoming a good drafting GM until Gregory took over. And to beat you to it I know about his sucess in the 1st but past that before Gregory he was very suspect once you got out of the 1st.

^ This.

[panthers55]

Hurney is a good gm not the best in the league. i dont know how you can say a gm is the best or one of the top gms when his franchise hasnt had back to back winning seasons ever!

Because GMs don't coach or sometimes even hire or fire the coach. Bruce Allen for the Bucs was considered a very good GM but was fired along with Gruden. He is now with the Redskins. But Allen was always very strapped by salary constraints such that he couldn't go out and get the best players. Now in Washington he has already begun to reshape the lineup and start a new era by bringing in Shanahan.

[CatMan72]

Everything I've heard suggests Hurney isn't going anywhere.

FWIW, I heard something that ranked Hurney 3rd overall when it game to success with 1st round picks (although it must help your averages when you don't have a 1st round pick 2 years in a row) behind Newsome in Baltimore and Polian.

[carolinanimal]

Because GMs don't coach or sometimes even hire or fire the coach. Bruce Allen for the Bucs was considered a very good GM but was fired along with Gruden. He is now with the Redskins. But Allen was always very strapped by salary constraints such that he couldn't go out and get the best players. Now in Washington he has already begun to reshape the lineup and start a new era by bringing in Shanahan.

i understand that part. But isnt it a gms job to answer all the questions about a team personnel wise? the lack of depth, key free agents and other things. by the way ozzie newsome is one of my top gms along with bill polian and the gm for the eagles.

[panthers55]

i understand that part. But isnt it a gms job to answer all the questions about a team personnel wise? the lack of depth, key free agents and other things. by the way ozzie newsome is one of my top gms along with bill polian and the gm for the eagles.

It depends on their role and how much decisionmaking power they have. Sometimes coaches make all the personnel decisions. Sometimes like in Dallas the owner makes all the decisions. We seem to be a decision by comittee so I guess everyone shares in that. Seems to me that this year Morrison or Richardson are exerting a big influence over the decision making at this point.

[carolinanimal]

It depends on their role and how much decisionmaking power they have. Sometimes coaches make all the personnel decisions. Sometimes like in Dallas the owner makes all the decisions. We seem to be a decision by comittee so I guess everyone shares in that. Seems to me that this year Morrison or Richardson are exerting a big influence over the decision making at this point.

i think this is the guy calling the shots this year. i SERIOUSLY doubt that fox or hurney would have cut all these vets on there own.

[panthers55]

The other question which hasn't been discussed is how good is Hurney now as a GM versus when he came here. We can discuss his gaffes over the years but remember this was his first GM job. He has obviously learned by his mistakes as well as his successes. The question is not did he make mistakes because the answer is yes, but given his progression from newby to where he is today, is he currently a good GM or not??