The Panther QB Question

[Cyberjag]

They'll also look at the fact that he hasnt had back to back winning seasons. Fox took the Carolina job because it was his first ever head coaching job in the NFL. He also has done some questionable things, especially with Marty as GM, such as trading future draft picks, not running the ball against Buffalo who had the leagues worst run D, and continuing to let Jake throw the ball against Arizona when that obviously was the worst choice. We ran it down their throat the first drive, then we never came back to it.

He also hasn't lost more than nine games in a season. There was a time a lot of Panther fans would have been happy enough with that.

As far as questionable things, the future draft pick trade that got us Otah worked out pretty well, and the book is still out on Brown. Those aren't just Fox's decisions either, they're Hurney's. And he's not the coordinator, he's the head coach.

I think his most questionable decisions have been hiring Davidson, and keeping Crossman too long. But every HC makes mistakes (look at how many cornerbacks Bellichik has drafted). It's results that matter, and few get better ones than Fox. You might not think too much of him, but don't take any bets on him not getting a great offer somewhere else. You just might lose on that.

[Pimpdaddy]

No, Fox will not be with the team next season.

...Ahhh, the last piece of the this transformation will be complete.

[rayzor]

the vast majority of HC hirings the last few years have been coaches who don't have experience as an HC. with cowher and gruden out there fox is going to have some serious competition for HC jobs.

i don't think he will have a very easy time finding another HC job at all. most teams will look at him and the $$ he will warrant and want to go with another coach for less money and more potential. there are quite a few young guns around the league that will likely land the majority of job openings. teams for the most part just aren't interested in re-treads.

his best chance to have a HC job next year is to stay around here and hope he gets another contract to come his way. he'll more than likely have to wait a couple years if he wants to get another HC job elsewhere.

[MadHatter]

I'm glad you feel qualified to quantify someone else's intelligence. I mean, sentence structure like this is envious, I agree.

I call them like I see them.

There is a big difference in sentence structure on a message board and the lack of any understanding or knowledge of the game.

Not to mention, that you are lacking in both. Check out your last sentence. Nice incorrect use of commas.

Thanks for playing....now run along.

[PantherPhann]

Delhomme is gone - and for good reason - poor play and at age 35 not much upside.

Moore looked impressive at the end of last year but at what level of competition and against how many playoff bound teams?

The Panthers proceeded to draft not 1 but 2 QB's this year. What message does that really send about the mindset of the calibur of the present QB picture.

Moore was a restricted free agent this year. The Panthers cut Delhomme. How much faith did the Panthers show in believing Moore was the future face of the franchise? Not so much by offering him a 1 yr tender which Moore signed on 03/11/2010: Signed a one-year, $3.043 million contract and then proceeded to draft 2 rookie QB's.

What does this really mean?

Richardson and Co have not commited to Fox as the future coach of the team. They have also tipped their hand by not commiting to Moore for the long term. Though somewhat annointed as the starter for 2010, the Panthers failed to make any long term commitment to Moore.

Clausen and Pike will both receive multi-year deals. That's a fact that cannot be disputed. Combine that with the fact that this is still a business and Richardson and Co expect to make a profit first and foremost.

Dollar wise, in the long term, who would be the best investment for the team if Moore, Clausen, and Pike maintain a balanced competitive performance level? What will be the price tag of Moore moving forward into 2011 and beyond?

My suspecion is that not only has the team already tipped their hand about the direction the team will be going - IMO, the writing is clearly on the wall.

1) John Fox is in a must win situation. If the Panthers are not competing for a playoff spot clearly and early, his days will be certainly numbered in Carolina.

2) The front office has already determined what type of offense and defense they expect to put on the field in the future. Look for the Panthers to be exploring coaching candidates behind the scenes that will fit the mold.

3) Though I believe that the Panthers will extend Moore's contract if warranted, them not making a long-term commitment to him even after dumping Delhomme is sending a clear message. The proposed price tag for retaining Moore will certainly carry a price tag in excess of 8-9 million per year and involve a 4-6 year commitment. This price tag will be higher than that of Clausen and Pike combined. Keep that in mind as the season progresses.

4) Like it or not, Moore's pressure to perform will be tremendous. Aside from the fact many believe the Panthers are contenders this year, the Panthers lack of commitment clearly signifies that a sub par performance by Moore is a one-way ticket out of town being he will be an unrestricted free-agent demanding a big payday.

5) Don't expect the Panthers to wait very long at all to pull the trigger on Moore and replace him with Clausen/Pike if the team struggles out of the gate. With a lame duck coach and a QB who will certainly be a unrestricted free agent, Moore has zero room for error and the pressure on the young QB will be tremendous.

Look for the Panthers to get maximum playing time for the rookie who backs up Moore. It makes financial sense and team sense with a lame duck head coach and a potential big payday for a QB that has not proven himself to warrant such a long-term deal.

A .500 record or poorer through the first 4 games will find Moore riding the pine and the new face of the franchise will be taking the snaps. It makes financial sense and is even more important for the potential new head coach to see what the future of the team looks like at QB.

[PantherPhann]

I think that Clausen was to highly rated of a QB to pass up in the 2nd at the 48th pick and if we had I can imagine what would be said about us. As far as Pick goes, I think that we would not have taken another QB other than Pike where we took him. He's a good QB and we got him the 6, cheap. We already had our eyes on him, he was still available so we got him. 1st) Moore 2nd) Clausen and 3rd) Pike. I think Cantwell is out the door.

[Floppin]

I call them like I see them.

There is a big difference in sentence structure on a message board and the lack of any understanding or knowledge of the game.

Not to mention, that you are lacking in both. Check out your last sentence. Nice incorrect use of commas.

Thanks for playing....now run along.

The incorrect use of commas was on purpose, more for comedic effect. You just misread the statement. Sarcasm is so hard to convey over a typed medium.

Sorry to insult King Kamehameha Douchknowledge Football king. I'll refrain in the future.

[MadHatter]

The incorrect use of commas was on purpose, more for comedic effect. You just misread the statement. Sarcasm is so hard to convey over a typed medium.

Sorry to insult King Kamehameha Douchknowledge Football king. I'll refrain in the future.

Not a bad attempt at wit and humor. Keep it up. You will get there soon.

[Floppin]

Not a bad attempt at wit and humor. Keep it up. You will get there soon.

[MadHatter]

Now that is just damn funny....well played.

You are officially welcomed to The Huddle.... Oh Grasshopper

[Scrumtrilescent]

Not a bad attempt at wit and humor. Keep it up. You will get there soon.

Maybe you will, too.

OH SNAP!

[Peppers90 NC]

Delhomme is gone - and for good reason - poor play and at age 35 not much upside.

Moore looked impressive at the end of last year but at what level of competition and against how many playoff bound teams?

The Panthers proceeded to draft not 1 but 2 QB's this year. What message does that really send about the mindset of the calibur of the present QB picture.

Moore was a restricted free agent this year. The Panthers cut Delhomme. How much faith did the Panthers show in believing Moore was the future face of the franchise? Not so much by offering him a 1 yr tender which Moore signed on 03/11/2010: Signed a one-year, $3.043 million contract and then proceeded to draft 2 rookie QB's.

What does this really mean?

Richardson and Co have not commited to Fox as the future coach of the team. They have also tipped their hand by not commiting to Moore for the long term. Though somewhat annointed as the starter for 2010, the Panthers failed to make any long term commitment to Moore.

Clausen and Pike will both receive multi-year deals. That's a fact that cannot be disputed. Combine that with the fact that this is still a business and Richardson and Co expect to make a profit first and foremost.

Dollar wise, in the long term, who would be the best investment for the team if Moore, Clausen, and Pike maintain a balanced competitive performance level? What will be the price tag of Moore moving forward into 2011 and beyond?

My suspecion is that not only has the team already tipped their hand about the direction the team will be going - IMO, the writing is clearly on the wall.

1) John Fox is in a must win situation. If the Panthers are not competing for a playoff spot clearly and early, his days will be certainly numbered in Carolina.

2) The front office has already determined what type of offense and defense they expect to put on the field in the future. Look for the Panthers to be exploring coaching candidates behind the scenes that will fit the mold.

3) Though I believe that the Panthers will extend Moore's contract if warranted, them not making a long-term commitment to him even after dumping Delhomme is sending a clear message. The proposed price tag for retaining Moore will certainly carry a price tag in excess of 8-9 million per year and involve a 4-6 year commitment. This price tag will be higher than that of Clausen and Pike combined. Keep that in mind as the season progresses.

4) Like it or not, Moore's pressure to perform will be tremendous. Aside from the fact many believe the Panthers are contenders this year, the Panthers lack of commitment clearly signifies that a sub par performance by Moore is a one-way ticket out of town being he will be an unrestricted free-agent demanding a big payday.

5) Don't expect the Panthers to wait very long at all to pull the trigger on Moore and replace him with Clausen/Pike if the team struggles out of the gate. With a lame duck coach and a QB who will certainly be a unrestricted free agent, Moore has zero room for error and the pressure on the young QB will be tremendous.

Look for the Panthers to get maximum playing time for the rookie who backs up Moore. It makes financial sense and team sense with a lame duck head coach and a potential big payday for a QB that has not proven himself to warrant such a long-term deal.

A .500 record or poorer through the first 4 games will find Moore riding the pine and the new face of the franchise will be taking the snaps. It makes financial sense and is even more important for the potential new head coach to see what the future of the team looks like at QB.

Good job repeating what the so-called experts keep saying from espn, nfl network, fox sports, etc...

[MadHatter]

Maybe you will, too.

OH SNAP!

I am in line right behind you.....:hand:

[PantherDude]

I think Cantwell is out the door.

I think Cantwell will still be here. It important to keep at least one QB on the practice squad in case something happend with either of the 3 QBs you mention. We saw what happend almost 3 yrs. ago when we has Carr & Vinny. Not to mention Cantwell is quite good than some think.