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What's Matt Moore's ceiling?

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Jimmy Clausen was a gift..obviously unforeseen by the panthers. This gives us a nice conumdrum with the qb situation. One of them is going to shine and my money is on clausen. Not saying i wouldn't want moore to do well, but i feel as though clausen has the potential to be an elite qb..something the panthers have never had. Moore may become an above average qb, but i feel clausen for the sake of the thread has a higher "ceiling." someone may be traded by years end.

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someone may be traded by years end.

i think it will take a couple of years. moore will be the above average QB we all expect him to be and then will refuse to stay when jimmy out paces him and takes the starting spot. pike and cantwell will compete for the 2 and 3 spots and will fill our depth chart for the next 4-6 seasons before pike moves on hoping for a chance to start somewhere. jimmy should be here for the next decade at least.

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Moore's biggest problem is that Clausen will already be signed on a long term deal at a great price. If he plays well or not he might be a victim of Richardson's new austerity budget. I expect he will play well but don't know if we will pay him as much as someone else will. If we don't sign him or tag him, he will be free to go elsewhere with no compensation.

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I don't really like saying certain players have "ceilings." This isn't basketball, every year players drafted in late rounds or not even drafted show up and make an impact for their team.

I think(based on what I've heard/seen) that he is driven to get better and that's all that really matters.

The truth is that some guys can get away with being very talented and not all that driven. Vick did not have a very sound work ethic but he was talented enough to get away with being lazy. It'd be nice if the guys that worked the hardest were always the best/most talented but unfortunately life ain't fair.

Moore doesn't have the same physical tools as Clausen and that does matter. It doesn't mean Clausen is better or that he's going start but his ability level is a strong component in the reasons why he should start.

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The truth is that some guys can get away with being very talented and not all that driven. Vick did not have a very sound work ethic but he was talented enough to get away with being lazy. It'd be nice if the guys that worked the hardest were always the best/most talented but unfortunately life ain't fair.

Moore doesn't have the same physical tools as Clausen and that does matter. It doesn't mean Clausen is better or that he's going start but his ability level is a strong component in the reasons why he should start.

Ability level actually doesn't have that much to do with quarterback success in the NFL or a lot of big time busts would have been stars. Russell had all the talent in the world but we all know how they turned out. Look at Brees for example. He hardly is the best guy from a talent point of view. Brady is another guy who doesn't have great physical skills. But both of them understand the offenses and defenses inside and out and are very successful. What is between your ears is infinitely more important that how well you throw the ball.

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The truth is that some guys can get away with being very talented and not all that driven. Vick did not have a very sound work ethic but he was talented enough to get away with being lazy. It'd be nice if the guys that worked the hardest were always the best/most talented but unfortunately life ain't fair.

Moore doesn't have the same physical tools as Clausen and that does matter. It doesn't mean Clausen is better or that he's going start but his ability level is a strong component in the reasons why he should start.

Physical skiils actually doesn't have that much to do with quarterback success in the NFL or a lot of big time busts would have been stars. Russell had all the talent in the world but we all know how they turned out. Look at Brees for example. He hardly is the best guy from a talent point of view. Brady is another guy who doesn't have great physical skills. But both of them understand the offenses and defenses inside and out and are very successful. What is between your ears is infinitely more important that how well you throw the ball.

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Physical skiils actually doesn't have that much to do with quarterback success in the NFL or a lot of big time busts would have been stars. Russell had all the talent in the world but we all know how they turned out. Look at Brees for example. He hardly is the best guy from a talent point of view. Brady is another guy who doesn't have great physical skills. But both of them understand the offenses and defenses inside and out and are very successful. What is between your ears is infinitely more important that how well you throw the ball.

what makes Brees so good is how well he throws the ball.

just sayin.

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Physical skiils actually doesn't have that much to do with quarterback success in the NFL or a lot of big time busts would have been stars. Russell had all the talent in the world but we all know how they turned out. Look at Brees for example. He hardly is the best guy from a talent point of view. Brady is another guy who doesn't have great physical skills. But both of them understand the offenses and defenses inside and out and are very successful. What is between your ears is infinitely more important that how well you throw the ball.

I'm not disputing that but saying it doesn't matter at all like the original poster was saying isn't true either. I should probably say talent/ability over physical as that's not quite what I meant. I was just trying to emphasize the technical parts of the game over mental. Russel was more potential and measurables than being technically sound. He was going to need a lot of coaching to reach his potential.

Clausen throws a very nice ball, that counts for something. It's not the most important aspect of who you would want to start but that could tip the scales in a close competition.

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this has been said before..does clausen having a chip on his shoulder, or something to prove from being taken in the second round, actually help him? That might make him want to work harder and put in the extra EXTRA time to become what everyone said he wasn't or wouldn't become. So a second round jimmy may end up being better than a first round jimmy?

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this has been said before..does clausen having a chip on his shoulder, or something to prove from being taken in the second round, actually help him? That might make him want to work harder and put in the extra EXTRA time to become what everyone said he wasn't or wouldn't become. So a second round jimmy may end up being better than a first round jimmy?

i bet 3rd round jimmy would rape matt moore in the face just to prove he could beat him in face raping...

i don't know if that made sense, i'm tired, i'm going to bed.

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what makes Brees so good is how well he throws the ball.

just sayin.

I was listening to an interview on Sirius NFL today with Brees and that is not what he said. He said the key to success for him was finding passing lanes to throw the ball and trusting his guys to be where they are supposed to be. He admits to not having a big arm or great mechanics but said that being able to feel pressure and move around until he can find someone open is the key to his success. He said that having a compact motion and quick release to get the ball out quickly was important as well.

That what what he was just sayin..................

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