Potential Head Coaches

[mav1234]

Frazier wins his head coaching debut.

Granted it was just the Redskins. Still a good start.

Neither he nor Garrett need to win out to keep their jobs, they just need to keep the team fighting hard and go out of the season with some success...

I think both those jobs could be off the table.

I do think that no small part of who we get for coach will depend on what other teams are looking... the 49ers will amost assuredly have a spot unless they somehow get into the playoffs.

[davos]

If we somehow, after all of this speculation of others like Hardaugh, end up with Cowher...I wonder what the chances are he pulls in Grimm with him?

I say very likely. Grimm still makes the most sense, but for some reason, I think everything may fall back into place with Cowher here. I mean if he truly wants to go back to the NFL, SF lands Harbaugh...where's he gonna go? As much as people claim he's overhyped, I think he still may be JR's top choice.

[Mr. Scot]

Said in the other thread, I doubt Cowher even gets an interview.

[frash.exe]

Neither he nor Garrett need to win out to keep their jobs, they just need to keep the team fighting hard and go out of the season with some success...

I think both those jobs could be off the table.

I do think that no small part of who we get for coach will depend on what other teams are looking... the 49ers will amost assuredly have a spot unless they somehow get into the playoffs.

yea. my guess is that both of them are already off the table. the Cowboys and Vikings owners will survey the players on how they feel, and the players on both teams will probably support the decision to keep them both, as interim head coaching is not just something you judge on solely by w/l record.

[Dpantherman]

It could happen.

I'd still rather hire Harbaugh than a defensive coach though.

I didn't think you were on the Harbaugh train?

[davos]

Said in the other thread, I doubt Cowher even gets an interview.

But simply because of a failed Seifert experiment? I just think it's ridiculous to compare Cowher to Seifert. Seifert was Walsh's successor, did well for a long time, but Cowher has shown he is much more capable of actually building a team. I just think people have talked about Cowher for so long that the idea of him as HC now has everybody saying he's either overrated or just not the right choice, when its really because they've been talking about this for 3 + years non stop.

In reality, its still a very likely scenario imo

[davos]

sorry to dp, but I also had a question about Clarence Shelmon:

Does anyone know the type of control he has over San Diego's offense, play calling, and etc?

[Mr. Scot]

I didn't think you were on the Harbaugh train?

Look back a page or two.

[Dpantherman]

at this point its exciting and scary. and horrible coaching hire will set the franchise back indefinitely. and a good one can lead to new heights.

[Jim Harbaugh]

Look back a page or two.

Good call.

[Dpantherman]

^^2.5/10

[Mr. Scot]

^^2.5/10

It was only a matter of time before someone did that. Andrew Luck probably won't be far behind :sosp:

But simply because of a failed Seifert experiment? I just think it's ridiculous to compare Cowher to Seifert. Seifert was Walsh's successor, did well for a long time, but Cowher has shown he is much more capable of actually building a team. I just think people have talked about Cowher for so long that the idea of him as HC now has everybody saying he's either overrated or just not the right choice, when its really because they've been talking about this for 3 + years non stop.

In reality, its still a very likely scenario imo

The beat writers would tell you otherwise.

As to Seifert, the hindsight view we have of him is a complete 180 from how he was viewed in the late 90s. He had the best winning percentage of any coach in NFL history. Not only had Seifert's teams never had a losing season. They'd never won fewer than ten games. Add in that they were pretty much never one and done in the playoffs (1995 was the only exception) and he'd collected two Super Bowl rings in just over a third the time it took Bill Cowher to get one.

You're right that there's no comparison. Seifert's 1999 resume' blows Cowher's away.

Ah, but he didn't duplicate that success away from the 49ers system, did he? So why would we assume that Cowher can duplicate the success he had with the Steelers when that Steelers organization won another Super Bowl with a neophyte head coach just a short time removed from Cowher's departure? Is Mike Tomlin really just that good, or is he benefiting from the same support system that Cowher did?

As mentioned elsewhere, Jerry Richardson has always held the philosophy that it's better to build your own star than acquire someone else's. Practically speaking, why pay big money for a guy that's made a name already but might not have the same success he had elsewhere when you can pay less for a guy that's still hungry to make a name for himself?

Put it all together. Seifert was a disaster. Capers and Fox both had more success. Seifert came in with even better credentials than Cowher. And again, there's that thing that no one who's won with one organization has ever won with a different team.

With all that known, where's the compelling case to pay Cowher umpteen million a year?

[Kevin Greene]

Everything Seifert and the 49ers did was skewed by the lack of no salary cap and Eddie Debartelo's willingness to spend more money than other owners.

[Kevin Greene]

It was only a matter of time before someone did that. Andrew Luck probably won't be far behind :sosp:

The beat writers would tell you otherwise.

As to Seifert, the hindsight view we have of him is a complete 180 from how he was viewed in the late 90s. He had the best winning percentage of any coach in NFL history. Not only had Seifert's teams never had a losing season. They'd never won fewer than ten games. Add in that they were pretty much never one and done in the playoffs (1995 was the only exception) and he'd collected two Super Bowl rings in just over a third the time it took Bill Cowher to get one.

You're right that there's no comparison. Seifert's 1999 resume' blows Cowher's away.

Ah, but he didn't duplicate that success away from the 49ers system, did he? So why would we assume that Cowher can duplicate the success he had with the Steelers when that Steelers organization won another Super Bowl with a neophyte head coach just a short time removed from Cowher's departure? Is Mike Tomlin really just that good, or is he benefiting from the same support system that Cowher did?

As mentioned elsewhere, Jerry Richardson has always held the philosophy that it's better to build your own star than acquire someone else's. Practically speaking, why pay big money for a guy that's made a name already but might not have the same success he had elsewhere when you can pay less for a guy that's still hungry to make a name for himself?

Put it all together. Seifert was a disaster. Capers and Fox both had more success. Seifert came in with even better credentials than Cowher. And again, there's that thing that no one who's won with one organization has ever won with a different team.

With all that known, where's the compelling case to pay Cowher umpteen million a year?

This is always an amusing arguement to me. If the Steeler "support system" is so much better than ours why even bother suiting up on Sundays?

Just hand them the freaking crown.