Gruden...

[panthers55]

I am not sure you can learn the intangibles it takes. I would have thought he would have learned enough from Dungy not to need the occasional help.

In all fairness his defenses while not great against the run still ranked top 10 in Indy. I am sure Manning had something to do with it. But still he has been pretty good especialy with this offense or lack of it. How much of the help was needed versus Fox butting in and asserting himself.

[Zaximus]

Didn't he leave a team that went to the super bowl with an offense he built?

[panthers55]

Didn't he leave a team that went to the super bowl with an offense he built?

Yeah. He left Al Davis like so many before him. In Tampa he was fired.

[Chaos]

Yeah, he'll draft qbs up the wazoo & make the qb carousel that we have now look like child's play. No thanks.

Child's Play? Chuckie? Hey, I see what ya did there - brilliant. Did ya mean to?

[CBDellinger]

I'm not for hiring Gruden.

But the chances he winds up here are slim to none anyways... So why even bother discussing it?

[Kurb]

Did someone really just say Meeks could be our Monte Kiffin ?

BFABABABBBAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[CBDellinger]

Meeks is just a yes man. This is Foxs' d.

[Cyclonus]

Didn't he leave a team that went to the super bowl with an offense he built?

Yes, and he made Rich Gannon look like friggin Joe Montana. Gruden had two teams in the Super Bowl in the same season. I'd be more than happy to have him here.

[panthers55]

Did someone really just say Meeks could be our Monte Kiffin ?

BFABABABBBAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah I said it. Meeks employs the same system and has had good success here. I don't know if there are many guys who can coach the Tampa 2 as well as Kiffin but Meeks is our version. Maybe not as good but I wonder how good we would be if we actually had an offense which could score points and control the clock. Plus we have not have the DEs to run a Tampa 2 since Peppers left. And we have never had the safeties to run it effectively.

[Kurb]

Sorry but I don't think Meeks could do much more than he has done.

He is a decent coordinator, but not great.

Probably shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Kiffen.

[Zod]

In all fairness his defenses while not great against the run still ranked top 10 in Indy. I am sure Manning had something to do with it. But still he has been pretty good especialy with this offense or lack of it. How much of the help was needed versus Fox butting in and asserting himself.

Tony Dungy has never had a below op 10 defensive team regardless of the coordinator. The problem is Meeks has never been the DC under an offensive minded HC.

[Zod]

Probably shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Kiffen.

Correct.

[panthers55]

Sorry but I don't think Meeks could do much more than he has done.

He is a decent coordinator, but not great.

Probably shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Kiffen.

You really think he could more with this collection of young inexpereinced players??

The Tampa 2 requires great experienced safties, a middle linebacker who can cover the pass and DEs or a combination of DTs and DEs who can pressure the quarterback.

We have young inexperienced safeties, a MLB who is taken out in passing situations and we get no pressure at all from the defensive line which has been gutted.

Exactly what more could he do??

[panthers55]

Tony Dungy has never had a below op 10 defensive team regardless of the coordinator. The problem is Meeks has never been the DC under an offensive minded HC.

Then maybe it is time to see what he can do.