Clausen actually looked like a pro QB today

[OneBadassCat]

Since LPF is on Jimmy's nuts so bad he has to PM me when I'm not around because it's the weekend and I usually only post from the office, here's my two cents.

Jimmy looked better, not good by any stretch of the word but better. During the part of the game that mattered, he was 50% completions for 153 yards, no TDs no INTs. Not bad but not great.

If we are going to play to his strengths and throw the short routes then he needs to have a higher completion %, no doubt about it. The only way the lower YPA is acceptable is if you are completing more of your passes.

The thing that is still frustrating is he can't get the ball in the endzone. How many times has a team won the battle of field position, the turnover battle, had a 100 yard rusher and lost the game?

He only had one scoring drive that DIDN'T start on their side of the field. With the amount of opportunities we were given to start on their side of the field (turnovers, big special teams plays, etc) we should have been able to score more than 1 TD.

I will say that he has improved but will caution it with "we've seen this before." This game reminded me a lot of the Saints game. If he can continue to improve he will have a shot. Anyone saying that he isn't the 3rd best QB to come out is kidding themselves though.

Clausen needs to take more shots down field. That's the biggest difference between him and Moore imo. We are more likely to convert third and long with Moore because he will go down field with it. That's the kind of QB this offense needs, to take shots when it's there. Clausen tends to stay safe. But if he's going to start chucking it then he needs to work on not staring at the WR's so much.

[CRA]

If Clausen looked like a pro....he looked like a bad pro. He looked like the kind of QB who isn't going to help you win a game.....he played like the caliber of QB who may not lose you the game on that particular Sunday.

Gantt and all these people playing this card that the D let the offense down are just off on this one. Yeah, the D didn't look great.......but neither did the offense.

Clausen had the best ground game performance of the season.....along w/ great overall starting field position. One offensive touchdown was generated.

Offense AGAIN was put in good positions on Sunday. For the first time they had a respectable ground attack. They did the same thing they have done all season........relatively nothing.

down by a 8 ( a score).......late in the 3rd. Offense got the ball on the Tampa 33. Moved the ball 3 yards. FG.

then Tampa got a fg -

down by 8 again now in the 4th.

Offense moved the ball 27 yards and punted......Tampa then put the nail int he coffin.

Offense doesn't do anything but kick fgs and punt. 9 games. 9 TDs. Offense is still the problem

[Jpjr]

If Clausen looked like a pro....he looked like a bad pro. He looked like the kind of QB who isn't going to help you win a game.....he played like the caliber of QB who may not lose you the game on that particular Sunday.

Gantt and all these people playing this card that the D let the offense down are just off on this one. Yeah, the D didn't look great.......but neither did the offense.

Clausen had the best ground game performance of the season.....along w/ great overall starting field position. One offensive touchdown was generated.

Offense AGAIN was put in good positions on Sunday. For the first time they had a respectable ground attack. They did the same thing they have done all season........relatively nothing.

So filtering out your anti-Clausen bias and translating a bit, it sounds like the offense made good progress yesterday. Glad we are all on the same page = better than expected offensive showing.

[ChinaPanther]

I like Jimmy and one day, he could be a good QB in the league. But right now, he's just playing scared. Scared to take chances, scared to make mistakes.

*Judgment on his play may be impaired due to poor o-line play.*

He doesn't play scared man. No one is open downfield so he doesn't try to complete it. That's not a negative it's a positive. He makes mistakes, all rookies do but he just needs a supporting cast around him. He plays a lot like Troy Aikman. Troy wouldn't throw it to you if you weren't open.

[Kakarot]

He doesn't play scared man. No one is open downfield so he doesn't try to complete it. That's not a negative it's a positive. He makes mistakes, all rookies do but he just needs a supporting cast around him. He plays a lot like Troy Aikman. Troy wouldn't throw it to you if you weren't open.

You sure about that? I remember the game I went to, plenty of the receivers were getting open. Jimmy was just too scared to throw it downfield

[CRA]

So filtering out your anti-Clausen bias and translating a bit, it sounds like the offense made good progress yesterday. Glad we are all on the same page = better than expected offensive showing.

No. Point is the offense has been so horrible people are spinning a sad showing as good.

Look at the starting field position and what the offense did. They didn't do anything except eliminate turnovers. The offense didn't do more positives than we have seen prior in the year. They eliminated some negative plays......which is good. That is improvement in regards to eliminating negative plays. Offense still was bad. That is all. Unrealistic expectations for the D. They get no help.

[CRA]

He doesn't play scared man. No one is open downfield so he doesn't try to complete it. That's not a negative it's a positive. He makes mistakes, all rookies do but he just needs a supporting cast around him. He plays a lot like Troy Aikman. Troy wouldn't throw it to you if you weren't open.

He doesn't play like Troy Aikman.

[mav1234]

which game was that?

[TheRealDeal]

So filtering out your anti-Clausen bias and translating a bit, it sounds like the offense made good progress yesterday. Glad we are all on the same page = better than expected offensive showing.

Try and pick on my post. His is essentially the same as mine. Only facts.

We had great field position.

We won the turnover battle.

We had a 100 yard rusher.

We lost the game.

QB couldn't put the ball in the endzone despite starting on their side of the 50 more than a few times. We got turnovers and good punt returns, and crappy punts by them to set us up. We did nothing.

Completed barely 50% of his passes (50% of them exactly when the game actually mattered and they weren't backing off then somehow he completes 80%) , low YPA, and no TD.

Please tell me again how great he was and why.

[davos]

So filtering out your anti-Clausen bias and translating a bit, it sounds like the offense made good progress yesterday. Glad we are all on the same page = better than expected offensive showing.

I didn't see much anti-Clausen bias there. He was just pointing out the offense is still flat. Yeah, Clausen didn't have any turnovers, but nothing was generated. He definitely took a step forward, but it was a small step.

Personally, I'm taking everything an inch at a time because we shouldn't build up any expectations for him heading into a game vs. the Ravens.

If he can make it through that game without laying an egg, he could really progress. It all depends on how he can learn to adjust during a game which I believe is the next step in his progression.

We should have generated at least one more TD with the way the running game went yesterday. But yeah, there was progress made, still it was a lackluster performance overall as a team...but Clausen did take a step forward.

[panther4life]

Sam Bradford wouldnt look nearly as good as he does right now if he was a panther, nor would Colt Mccoy. The combination of terrible offensive gameplanning/playcalling kind of handcuffs a qb's ability to look stellar.

Therefore it is impossible to fully gauge Clausen, not to mention he's only had 4 starts in his short career and we've had a bit of a w.r. carusel and not been given proper time to develop chemistry with these guys. The o-line is barley providing any time as well.

The only 2 areas where you can fairly judge Clausen right now is his decision making and ball placement. Yes he gets rid of the ball early and checks down alot. This shouldnt be an indictment against him. Some of the most sucessful qb's in the league dink and dunk you to death to set up the deep ball. Their o-line's also provide the reciever enough time to get deep before the q.b releases it. Clausen has rarely had that luxury this year.

I personally like his decision making alot. I think he makes smart throws and does about as much as you can expect it considering the circumstances.

His ball placement looked pretty good yesterday and their were a number of drops that counted against his stat count as well too. Clausen has not been very consistent on this but as long as he continues to improve then thats a good thing.

So at this point I have lowered my expecations for him(see my multiple past post that wreaked of Clausen homerism/too much optimism). With that being said, I was naive enough to believe our o-line and run game would be as powerful as the past couple of years. In addition to that I had high hopes for our young recieving core.

So while I no longer expect to see Clausen look like our savior this year, its not because he has done anything to show me that he wont be, except for the fact that he's far from capable of doing it with his current supporting cast.

[mav1234]

Please tell me again how great he was and why.

He wasn't great, but he was okay. He showed progress, which is most at this point since that is basically what we are playing for. He was not good enough to win the game when it came down to it; he still missed some open guys, but he found them more than he did in the past and his accuracy was pretty good overall. He actually converted some third downs too, which was nice.

[TheRealDeal]

He wasn't great, but he was okay. He showed progress, which is most at this point since that is basically what we are playing for. He was not good enough to win the game when it came down to it; he still missed some open guys, but he found them more than he did in the past and his accuracy was pretty good overall. He actually converted some third downs too, which was nice.

50% completions is "pretty good accuracy" in what way?

Honestly besides the low expectations he has forced us to have with his play earlier in the year, if you look at this game he did literally nothing. Didn't throw for a bunch of yards, didn't "dink and dunk" his way down the field (that requires a high comp. % like Sammy B.) he didn't get us in the endzone, he didn't move us into scoring position (we were mostly already there), and he didn't give us a chance to win.

If he can't put the ball in the endzone given the amount of chances we had today he might not be able to do it again all year unless someone falls down again.

Someone made a thread a long time ago about Octononophobia, the fear of the number 89 and how there is no cure for it, well...the cure has been found.

[CRA]

Sam Bradford wouldnt look nearly as good as he does right now if he was a panther, nor would Colt Mccoy. The combination of terrible offensive gameplanning/playcalling kind of handcuffs a qb's ability to look stellar.

Therefore it is impossible to fully gauge Clausen, not to mention he's only had 4 starts in his short career and we've had a bit of a w.r. carusel and not been given proper time to develop chemistry with these guys. The o-line is barley providing any time as well.

The only 2 areas where you can fairly judge Clausen right now is his decision making and ball placement. Yes he gets rid of the ball early and checks down alot. This shouldnt be an indictment against him. Some of the most sucessful qb's in the league dink and dunk you to death to set up the deep ball. Their o-line's also provide the reciever enough time to get deep before the q.b releases it. Clausen has rarely had that luxury this year.

I personally like his decision making alot. I think he makes smart throws and does about as much as you can expect it considering the circumstances.

His ball placement looked pretty good yesterday and their were a number of drops that counted against his stat count as well too. Clausen has not been very consistent on this but as long as he continues to improve then thats a good thing.

So at this point I have lowered my expecations for him(see my multiple past post that wreaked of Clausen homerism/too much optimism). With that being said, I was naive enough to believe our o-line and run game would be as powerful as the past couple of years. In addition to that I had high hopes for our young recieving core.

So while I no longer expect to see Clausen look like our savior this year, its not because he has done anything to show me that he wont be, except for the fact that he's far from capable of doing it with his current supporting cast.

sure it should. it is leaving plays unmade..... A lot of similarities between Anderson/Quinn and Moore/Clausen. Anderson was bad b/c he looked downfield and gambled too often.....Quinn would checkdown. Same thing here in Carolina.