Do we need to worry about #2 WR

[top dawg]

Could Williamson have reached the point of not being effective anymore? The guy has been at the same coaching position, on the same team since 1995. I know that through the years he has been great with developing young talent but here of late he really hasn't been able to get any of the young recievers to produce. Or maybe thats more on Jake than Williamson?

I can't figure that ot myself, though the big elephant in the room is Jake's play on the field (i.e., throw it to Smitty 70% of the time, Moose 25%, and everybody else 5%, unless he's playing the Cards:D).

To me, the lack of creativity---or at least the edification---in the passing game ultimately falls on Foxy's shoulders. He should know where the failings are, and have a plan to fix them.

It hasn't really been talked about too much, but the philosophy in the passing game has pretty much been a failure since Moose left for Chicago and Walls and Proehl retired. The "get Smitty the ball at all costs"---even at the expense of throwing into double coverage---is not an effective way to become a champion.

[Chubbs McGee]

Mark Jones has done a great job, but I'd like to see a WR who can return kicks AND contribute on offense offense.

[Brooklyn Bully]

I see your point but I still say that Housh could make this offense worse because he is not known at all for his blocking in the running game.

IMO the perfect WR to match with Smith would be Hines Ward but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Honestly there aren't that many good WR that are also that good in blocking as well. Usually one or the other. Moose may be old and has drops from time to time but still a better option considering the running game. And moving him to the #3 role a la Prohle would take him out of the game too much to still be a factor in the running game.

Well ok, how about keeping Moose at #2 for another season and drafting one for the future then? I know it's ALL on paper, but there are supposed to be five amazing WRs in this year's draft class. The only way we could get one, however, is via the Peppers synopsis and I know most of you want our first pick to be D.

All I know is this: most people here want us to have a smash mouth D. I agree, I do too. But with the pieces we have in place (minus Pep or not) at the current moment, we just don't have that right now no matter WHO comes in to coach or what new schemes we MAY try.

What we DO have right this second is the ability to put up points. We have the best running game in the league and one of the best WRs. So, let me ask you all this, what's more likely to happen: we get some decent FA defense pick ups and draft some for the future and automatically become smash mouth...or...we get one last piece to the offensive puzzle (better WR) and continue our kick ass schemes that we did this past year? Obviously the second.

Can you imagine if the Cardinals had our run game? They'd have three amazing WRs, amazing RBs, and a patchwork D that feels disrespected but does a decent enough job. I know Jake isn't the right QB for something like that, nor are our schemes, but we DO have the ability to have a solid patchwork/disrespected D: Brayton, Hilee Taylor, Kemo, Johnson, Nick Hayden, Lewis...and of course our DBs and amazing LBs.

I guess I just feel Moose (sans his amazing blocking skill) just can't draw enough attention anymore. This season, teams will LOCK DOWN on Double Trouble and continue to attempt to take Steve out of the game. If Jake can get his head out of his ass and learn to through to Jarrett or a rook or a FA...I think it could only help us. And yes, rookie WRs struggle but Royal (Denver) and Jakson (Philly) had solid seasons this year.

This draft class is just too damn good to pass up on. We may need to take the gamble.

Okay, enough storybook writing.

[Ncstatefan]

Mark Jones has done a great job, but I'd like to see a WR who can return kicks AND contribute on offense offense.

Ryne Robinson

[Chubbs McGee]

Ryne Robinson

Do you feel comfortable enough with him to pass over an attractive option that arises in the draft? I don't.

[Fox007]

If we take an offensive player in the first I will lose my mind......

We need D line some kinda bad.

Yea but the thing about the draft is, you don't just take a person just because.

Meaning just because you need a DL doesn't mean you just take him even if a WAY higher rated person is available.

Imagine if we took the 5th or 6th best DL available when one of the top 3WR's were on the board.

That would be foolish.

Like has been posted, this year has HUGE talent at WR.

If you could get a WR that you know is going to be a stud for a long time, you take him. Especially if it is over a 3rd tier D linemen who may not even pan out.

Also the crappy thing for us is the talent pool isn't exactly spectacular along the line in this years draft.

Look how many D-linemen were taken last year in the top 10...........(even compare it to the mock drafts or talent only lists)

Now compare that to this year.............there likely won't be a DL take in the top 10 this year, and the talent early is more offensive than defensive.

I think we should take the pick that makes the most sense, and that isn't always at a position you need the worst.

[OneBadassCat]

If Jake can spread the ball around we won't need a guy like TJ or Boldin to be our #2. Jake's got plenty of weapons to help free up Smith he just has to use them.

[Brooklyn Bully]

The best question is this:

If we did bring in a FA, would Davidson be able to work him into the gameplan? He didn't with Hackett and Jarrett only caught 3rd down passes. I could easily peg this on Fox and say that whomever we signed would have to adjust to all of our schemes, but you'd think the smarter idea would be to add new schemes that fit a solid FA (pretend we had Housh or Bryant).

I'm thinking a FA isn't a good idea all the sudden. Drafting one though...yes!

[17+89=6]

I think this year will be fine with the receiving corps that we have. I think that Moose just needs to mentor Jarrett a bit. They both have the big bodies that QB's want in a possession receiver. If it doesn't pan out this year then we may need to look to next year at a receiver like Dez Bryant out of OK State. He is a big body guy that knows how to use his frame on a defender. He would be a good compliment to Smitty. Of course he is coming off of knee surgery, but it was said to be a successful surgery. Anyways I think for now we are good.

[Fox007]

For example, just look at last year

How many of you called it that our FO would pick a RB with our first pick?

How did that pick turn out?

I think our FO knows what they are doing(in the draft), and won't feel forced just to pick up a position just because our shortage at that position.

Each draft is different and you have to gauge your picks by the depth of talent at each position.(among a lot of other things)

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

There are tons on WR available in Free Agency

T.J. Houshmandzadeh- Bengals- Age: 31

Antonio Bryant- Buccaneers- Age: 28

Nate Washington- Steelers- Age: 26

Devery Henderson- Saints- Age: 27

Bobby Engram- Seahawks- Age: 36

Bryant Johnson- 49ers- Age: 28

Shaun McDonald- Lions- Age: 28

Michael Clayton- Buccaneers- Age: 26

Reggie Williams- Jaguars- Age: 26

Brandon Jones- Titans- Age: 26

Amani Toomer- Giants- Age: 34

Jabar Gaffney- Patriots- Age: 28

Drew Carter- Raiders- Age: 27

David Anderson- Texans- Age: 26

Koren Robinson- Seahawks- Age: 29

Justin McCareins- Titans- Age: 30

Ashley Lelie- Raiders- Age: 29

Eric Parker- Chargers- Age: 30

Brandon Lloyd- Bears- Age: 28

Darrell Jackson- Broncos- Age: 30

Dane Looker- Rams- Age: 33

Tab Perry- Dolphins- Age: 27

Roydell Williams- Titans- Age: 28

Glenn Martinez- Broncos- Age: 27

Keary Colbert- Lions- Age: 27

Justin Jenkins- Bills- Age: 28

Courtney Roby- Saints- Age: 26

Dante Hall- Rams- Age: 30

Robert Ferguson- Vikings- Age: 29

Terry Glenn- Cowboys- Age: 35

James Thrash- Redskins- Age: 34

Peerless Price- Bills- Age: 32

Joe Horn- Falcons- Age: 37

Eric Moulds- Titans- Age: 36

Eddie Kennison- Rams- Age: 36

WHO DO YOU LIKE???

[thefuzz]

I agree that most teams need to pick best player available.....but not all.

Sometimes you have to pick the bpa and one that fits your scheme, and needs.

We have needs at 3 positions. D Line, QB, and O line (if we don't sign gross). The perceived need at WR is not a true "need" IMO.

Teams that are very close to the big game can't always take BPA. Teams that are not so close have to take that person.

IMO

[thefuzz]

There are tons on WR available in Free Agency

T.J. Houshmandzadeh- Bengals- Age: 31

Antonio Bryant- Buccaneers- Age: 28

Nate Washington- Steelers- Age: 26

Devery Henderson- Saints- Age: 27

Bobby Engram- Seahawks- Age: 36

Bryant Johnson- 49ers- Age: 28

Shaun McDonald- Lions- Age: 28

Michael Clayton- Buccaneers- Age: 26

Reggie Williams- Jaguars- Age: 26

Brandon Jones- Titans- Age: 26

Amani Toomer- Giants- Age: 34

Jabar Gaffney- Patriots- Age: 28

Drew Carter- Raiders- Age: 27

David Anderson- Texans- Age: 26

Koren Robinson- Seahawks- Age: 29

Justin McCareins- Titans- Age: 30

Ashley Lelie- Raiders- Age: 29

Eric Parker- Chargers- Age: 30

Brandon Lloyd- Bears- Age: 28

Darrell Jackson- Broncos- Age: 30

Dane Looker- Rams- Age: 33

Tab Perry- Dolphins- Age: 27

Roydell Williams- Titans- Age: 28

Glenn Martinez- Broncos- Age: 27

Keary Colbert- Lions- Age: 27

Justin Jenkins- Bills- Age: 28

Courtney Roby- Saints- Age: 26

Dante Hall- Rams- Age: 30

Robert Ferguson- Vikings- Age: 29

Terry Glenn- Cowboys- Age: 35

James Thrash- Redskins- Age: 34

Peerless Price- Bills- Age: 32

Joe Horn- Falcons- Age: 37

Eric Moulds- Titans- Age: 36

Eddie Kennison- Rams- Age: 36

WHO DO YOU LIKE???

Robinson and McDonald

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Robinson and McDonald

I actually like Mcdonald to I saw him in preseason and he looks like a pretty good receiver