Clausen vs. Bradford

[Cat'sGrowl]

What facts are those Einstein? It is plain to all but Clausen homers like you that he sucks and isn't improving. He is not going to get better this year. He would have to actually try and do something different instead of the same crap over and over with the dumpoffs.

Or maybe you think the facts like Quarterback rating of 55 and a TD to INT ration of a .20 is good. Maybe a completion percentage of 50% or a YPA of 5.3 are good.

Check the rating Sherlock. They are all good for last in the league. Yeah!!

I guess it takes a moron to see the obvious facts.

That's pretty impressive debating there!

To ignore your flawed previous post completely!

Tell me, how long will it take for you to stop pouting about Clausen because he took your boy's job?

Do you still have to pay full-price for Matt to suck you off? or does he give you a discount for long-time customers?

[raleigh-panther]

I believe the interception was on Rosaio, so said, Rosario, so said, Fox, just saying.

To me, why waste time on JC bashing, in a mere 6 months, the Panthers will have Luck as their new great QB hope.

[Carolina Husker]

I think some people have gotten spoiled with the thinking that a rookie QB should be able to step in right away and win. There are far more Clausens than there are Matt Ryans in this league.

That being said, I'm definitely not sold on Clausen at this point, and I think it'd be a big mistake to pass on a guy like Luck if he's there at our pick.

[Jpjr]

You know it is bad when you have to talk about one or two specific plays in order to be able to say anything nice about your quarterback. Truth is the only thing Clausen did worth a damn all day was one long pass to LeFell with 12 seconds left. Still doesn't make up for the interception when we had time on the clock and 3 timeouts.

Truth is if we don't get two picks by Delhomme the game isn't even close. Clausen did very little to make a difference and showed no improvement. He seemd more lost out there than usual and failed to get the ball down the field or in the redzone.

Are you still bitter about Matt Moore?

I don't take issue with those that aren't fans of Clausen. Some never will be, others just don't like losing. But to say he has shown no progress is simply wrong. Despite the fact that the offense still isn't scoring touchdowns, they are scoring. The offense scored 4 times yesterday, or 6 if Kasey had made those 2 field goals. They scored on their opening drive that included a great connect on 3rd and 10 to Smitty over the middle. They should have scored again if they had won that challenge over the first Lafell catch.

Clausen is not throwing vertically yet but this past game he elminated many of the issues you and others have critisized him for in the past. No fumbles, no tipped passes (unlike Jake), and according to Rosario the interception was a result of him not following the route rather that Clausen missing him.

What I am saying is this: If Clausen keeps progressing and starts to hit more vertical passing plays (presuming the blocking imrproves), it would be nice for some people on here to give him some credit.

Until then and even after then the trashing will continue. I get it.

[Cat'sGrowl]

I think some people have gotten spoiled with the thinking that a rookie QB should be able to step in right away and win. There are far more Clausens than there are Matt Ryans in this league.

That being said, I'm definitely not sold on Clausen at this point, and I think it'd be a big mistake to pass on a guy like Luck if he's there at our pick.

I agree.

Good post.

The only thing I can say, is that there are other holes on this team to address, so to say we're getting a completely accurate judgement of Clausen is incorrect. I wouldn't be upset if we picked up a Green or even a Peterson.

While we do need DL help, I'd rather us trade down if we elect to go that route.

[mav1234]

I believe the interception was on Rosaio, so said, Rosario, so said, Fox, just saying.

To me, why waste time on JC bashing, in a mere 6 months, the Panthers will have Luck as their new great QB hope.

True enough.

As to the INT thing, I'll say this: I don't care who it's on, the QB bears some of the responsibility. Clausen owns a part of that INT even if it's on someone else. What mattered to me most was how he bounced back from it. *shrugs*

[panthers55]

Obviously this is why BSP was benched for Clausen.

If you're going to insult me and claim I didn't watch the game, at least make sure you have your times right. The fact you think a 10 point game with 5:55 left is over tells me you've never played football... especially after a huge play that ignited the offense like that. Gee, we can score a TD in 30 seconds, but I'll be damned if we have any shot at 10 points in 6 minutes!

First of all Clausen started due to what he did in the Tampa game not the Cleveland one. And frankly because we have no one else. I doubt we will go with anyone else but I would like to see Pike.

And I have both played football and coached it although not at a college or pro level. And when the pic six occurred there was 5:15 on the clock (need to read the box score better) and we needed to go 80 yards for a score, get the ball back on an onsides kick and score a FG to tie. How many 80 yard drives had we made all day up to that point against one of the tougher defenses in the league. Yeah that would Gettis' bomb. Anyone think we let him get deep again with five minutes to play??

Get real. The game was over when we let them score a FG to go up by 2 scores.

[panthers55]

Are you still bitter about Matt Moore?

I don't take issue with those that aren't fans of Clausen. Some never will be, others just don't like losing. But to say he has shown no progress is simply wrong. Despite the fact that the offense still isn't scoring touchdowns, they are scoring. The offense scored 4 times yesterday, or 6 if Kasey had made those 2 field goals. They scored on their opening drive that included a great connect on 3rd and 10 to Smitty over the middle. They should have scored again if they had won that challenge over the first Lafell catch.

Clausen is not throwing vertically yet but this past game he elminated many of the issues you and others have critisized him for in the past. No fumbles, no tipped passes (unlike Jake), and according to Rosario the interception was a result of him not following the route rather that Clausen missing him.

What I am saying is this: If Clausen keeps progressing and starts to hit more vertical passing plays (presuming the blocking imrproves), it would be nice for some people on here to give him some credit.

Until then and even after then the trashing will continue. I get it.

Nah he was put on IR and that is likely the last game he will play for us. Honestly I wasn't a big fan of his just wanted him more than Clausen. Which like everything else this year, I was right on the money again.

Clausen is not executing this offense or making key plays down the field. he led us into the redzone how many times yesterday?? That would be zero. At least against Tampa we had the ball at the goal line several times. Assuming the average quarterback has an 85 passer rating, Clausen has had 1 games all year above that. Since then he has one above 70. You got look awfully hard to see any progress. He hasn't thrown a TD in his last 4 starts. How exactly is he improving.

[kk4panthers89]

People are judging Clausen way too quickly...

Clausen's Stats:

GP-8

TDs-1

INTs-5

Comp %- 50

Rating- 55.5

Yards- 887

Now take a look at John Elway's rookie stats:

GP-11

TDs- 7

INTs-14

Comp %-47.5

Rating- 54.9

Yards- 1663

In no way am I promising that Clausen will turn out like Elway did, but it is important for you guys to remember that rookie QBs struggle- even Elway and Manning!

[TheRealDeal]

At least Elway got the ball in the endzone more than once.

The point isn't that Clausen is bad...it's how bad he's been. You homers can't seem to get that through your head. It's beginning to be like the Jarrett TD pool, when oh when will Jimmy throw another TD pass?

We don't want world beater numbers, just show something sometime.

I don't care if you throw picks, just throw TDs as well, show me there is reason to be excited. Right now there isn't no matter which way you slice it.

[panthers55]

I believe the interception was on Rosaio, so said, Rosario, so said, Fox, just saying.

To me, why waste time on JC bashing, in a mere 6 months, the Panthers will have Luck as their new great QB hope.

Interceptions are actually often on the receiver. Most times they don't read the defense correctly, often make the wrong move, or fail to fight for the ball. The quarterback always gets blamed.

As for Clausen bashing, if the homers stopped trying to convince everyone he is improving and getting better, others wouldn't feel the need to point out that obviously he isn't. What else is there to talk about until next season??

[Jangler]

People are judging Clausen way too quickly...

Clausen's Stats:

GP-8

TDs-1

INTs-5

Comp %- 50

Rating- 55.5

Yards- 887

Now take a look at John Elway's rookie stats:

GP-11

TDs- 7

INTs-14

Comp %-47.5

Rating- 54.9

Yards- 1663

In no way am I promising that Clausen will turn out like Elway did, but it is important for you guys to remember that rookie QBs struggle- even Elway and Manning!

and what about Bradford? silly first post is silly

[BigCat#1]

so is it a sure thing that Luck is entering the draft this year?

[panthers55]

People are judging Clausen way too quickly...

Clausen's Stats:

GP-8

TDs-1

INTs-5

Comp %- 50

Rating- 55.5

Yards- 887

Now take a look at John Elway's rookie stats:

GP-11

TDs- 7

INTs-14

Comp %-47.5

Rating- 54.9

Yards- 1663

In no way am I promising that Clausen will turn out like Elway did, but it is important for you guys to remember that rookie QBs struggle- even Elway and Manning!

Looking closer at Elway's rookie season shows that he indeed did progress during the year. His first 2 games his passer rating was 58. He even had a 10 (wk 5) and a 26 (wk 13) and in week 17 he had a 12. He also had a 106 passer rating in wk 10, 117 in week 14, and 101 in week 15.

He had a 4 int game and he had a 3 TD game. He also won 4 games as a rookie starter and threw for 284 and 345 yards in 2 of his last 3 games.

Elway had some great games and some terrible ones which you expect with a rookie. So far Clausen has had no great games just a bunch of mediocre and poor ones. You could watch Elway even as a rookie and tell he has potential to be a great passer. I haven't seen any of that with Clausen. He has never even thrown for 200 yards yet or thrown more than 1 TD in 5 starts. If Clausen goes out and throws 2 or 3 TDs next week for 275 yards and a passer rating of 100 then we can talk. But until then he has done nothing to show his potential.