Cam Newton Public Workout

[Mr. Scot]

First off, I didn't start the "racist" discussion. I don't understand why you are accusing me of doing so. I simply added some commentary to Jangler's satire.

Now... if you want to pretend that this "ONE" example is just an aberration, and that people who visit this board can't possibly be racist, you go right ahead and live in that fantasy land.

Honestly ONE example is one too many imho.

Generally speaking, I have no idea whether people on here are racist, sexist, alcoholic, pedophiles, wife-beaters, serial killers or anything else.

Unless they say something that can actually be taken to show they're one of those things, I prefer to leave the assumptions behind.

You might be wise to do the same.

You're going into this with the assumption that a whole bunch of white people whose real lives you know absolutely nothing about have a secret hate of black people.

So tell me again, who's guilty of thinking like a racist?

[mav1234]

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I'm going to assume you don't have full access, because if you did, you'd have seen this quote:

He did miss an open receiver for a touchdown, but the rest of the game, the one-time The Golden Calf of Bristol backup displayed very good accuracy to go along with an extremely strong arm. Not only did he complete a high percentage of his passes (10-of-14 for 140 yards), he also put the football right on the money, for the most part. When looking at him as a future pro prospect, there is an awful lot to like. You have a young man with great size and overall athletic ability. While he's still in need of a lot more polish as a passer, he shows great promise from a fundamentals standpoint

Now how exactly is that dogging him at all? Seems to me to be pretty positive, talking about how he was underrated.

...In October.

[Mr. Scot]

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[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Every single thread about Cam Newton on this forum spirals to total poo

[blackcatgrowl]

how the hell... so what exactly does that make the comparisons between Gabbert and Russell or just about any big armed QB and Russell that is white??

it's not racism, it's fans drawing parallels between what they see from Newton now, what people like about him, and what THEY think was Russell's major selling points.

You guys are playing dumb now.

When the first thing someone does is to compare Newton to Russell, they are taking the worst example of a Black QB not transitioning to the NFL and drawing a fear against Newton, just simply because they are the same race. People have done it with Michael Vick and Newton too.

How many comparisons have you seen between Warren Moon and Newton? I can't think of any. How about McNabb? Maybe one here and there. But Russell and Vick comparisons to Newton are all over the place. Why? Because of fear of his failure.

Now... you can choose to believe this or not... but there IS a stigma against black QBs in Football. Everyone knows there is. I'm not sure how it got started, or to what depth it runs... but it is out there. I'm not making this poo up.

You can pretend this isn't influencing people's judgment negatively towards Newton. I choose to be a little more honest. Lets call it like it is?

[blackcatgrowl]

I'm going to assume you don't have full access, because if you did, you'd have seen this quote:

Now how exactly is that dogging him at all? Seems to me to be pretty positive, talking about how he was underrated.

...In October.

he's still in need of a lot more polish as a passer

People read that one line, and the rest of the article is meaningless.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Hopefully he'll bleach his skin so Jerry Richardson won't vomit when he sees him.

[TheRealDeal]

Why are you guys arguing with this clown still. He's got Cameron in his Sig with "It's Newton Time"

You won't win

[mav1234]

You guys are playing dumb now.

When the first thing someone does is to compare Newton to Russell, they are taking the worst example of a Black QB not transitioning to the NFL and drawing a fear against Newton, just simply because they are the same race. People have done it with Michael Vick and Newton too.

How many comparisons have you seen between Warren Moon and Newton? I can't think of any. How about McNabb? Maybe one here and there. But Russell and Vick comparisons to Newton are all over the place. Why? Because of fear of his failure.

Now... you can choose to believe this or not... but there IS a stigma against black QBs in Football. Everyone knows there is. I'm not sure how it got started, or to what depth it runs... but it is out there. I'm not making this poo up.

You can pretend this isn't influencing people's judgment negatively towards Newton. I choose to be a little more honest. Lets call it like it is?

so explain to me the comparisons between Russell and Gabbert, or Russell and Mallett. Why do they hold more weight than the comparisons between Newton and Russell?

Why can't they all be stupid comparisons? Why does one of the three need to be racist?

BTW, I've seen just about as many comparisons of Newton to Big Ben and McNabb than to Russell...

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

People read that one line, and the rest of the article is meaningless.

So where does that lead? Should writers and analysts be extra sensitive and sanitize their articles so that some phantom anti-Cam sentiment won't slip out? Or should people quit being mindless sheep, develop some critical thinking skills, and stop reading in such a way that strokes their confirmation bias?

[monstercat]

OK, I was gonna leave it alone but let me ask everybody one simple question... does anybody here believe Auburn would have been anywhere near a NC if Cam Newton wasn't there?

I watched Auburn struggle mightily against Northeastern in their 09 bowl, so it's not like this was a great team already. Cam made them great, and that says more than any stat or scouting report, IMO.

[mav1234]

People read that one line, and the rest of the article is meaningless.

uh what

1) it's from october

2) he needs more polish as a passer

3) it mentions his great accuracy etc. I'd say that saying "he needs more polish as a passer" Is pretty accurate.

4) you'd be hard pressed to find an article this year about any QB other than Luck that is 100% positive from most draftniks. they all have positives and negatives.

OK, I was gonna leave it alone but let me ask everybody one simple question...do does anybody here believe Auburn would have been anywhere near a NC if Cam Newton wasn't there?

I watched Auburn struggle mightily against Northeastern in their 09 bowl, so it's not like this was a great team already. Cam made them great, and that says more than any stat or scouting report, IMO.

hmm no idea, but they probably wouldn't have been to the NC. At the same time, I don't think what made that offense so potent is going to easily translate to the NFL. I hope he can become a great in the NFL, too, don't get me wrong, I just think that the kind of offense he played didn't make it easy to try to see what his potential as a pocket passer is.

[blackcatgrowl]

Generally speaking, I have no idea whether people on here are racist, sexist, alcoholic, pedophiles, wife-beaters, serial killers or anything else.

Unless they say something that can actually be taken to show they're one of those things, I prefer to leave the assumptions behind.

You might be wise to do the same.

You're going into this with the assumption that a whole bunch of white people whose real lives you know absolutely nothing about have a secret hate of black people.

So tell me again, who's guilty of thinking like a racist?

Ok Mr. Scot. Since you are obviously pissed off about something I said... I'm going to make this as clear as I can...

I didn't bring up race until someone responded to one of my threads with a racist remark. Since then, the gloves came off, because that sort of intolerance is exactly what we don't need around here.

And for the record, being a white man, I'm not ASSUMING there are white people who are secretly racist. I've been in situations around white men who, behind closed doors, DO harbor racist thoughts and share them with other white men. It's disgusting, but it does happen.

[blackcatgrowl]

Why are you guys arguing with this clown still. He's got Cameron in his Sig with "It's Newton Time"

You won't win

Yeah, go hang out with TRD, you know... the guy who thinks NFL DTs can run 4.7 40's all day.