Cam Newton Public Workout

[rippadonn]

Once he gets in and adds 10lbs or so he'll he will be such a physically imposing figure. He would be Big Ben like in that respect as well as his ability to extend plays also.

His size makes him better suited for running in the NFL than MV, although you don't want any QB running that much.

He's just a winner, nobody can explain that away.

[rico6]

All this 'race' talk is killing me on the inside.

[koolkatluke]

Wow this thread keeps going and going and going.

[monstercat]

I still haven't been given one good reason as to why this work out is a red flag or reveals a character flaw. The kid has been criticized for his footwork and throwing mechanics, so he wants to show people that he has improved those things.

What's the big freakin deal? If you don't like it, then ignore it, but don't make up bogus reasons to bash him for it.

[carolinanimal]

i am curious besides hype , what made andrew luck such a sure fire pick as the #1 qb on the board? was it level of competition, system, coaching, stats. wins? what was it?

[mav1234]

It doesn't reveal a character flaw or a red flag, it might just sour some NFL teams that feel he is sidestepping the normal process, but I kinda doubt it. I don't see how it will help him much but I doubt it hurts him, except perhaps giving even more people the impression his father is trying very hard to market his son.

He could always wait until the combine to show off his improvements, at which point he will have probably improved even more. So I just dunno what the point is unless he really feels there is not enough film on him, which is a possibility.

[Mr. Scot]

I still haven't been given one good reason as to why this work out is a red flag or reveals a character flaw. The kid has been criticized for his footwork and throwing mechanics, so he wants to show people that he has improved those things.

What's the big freakin deal? If you don't like it, then ignore it, but don't make up bogus reasons to bash him for it.

NFL scouts aren't happy about it. In fact, they're rather put off by it. That was documented in the article from Rob Rang at CBS.

It it isn't likely to help his draft stock, it annoys NFL scouts, and they've stated themselves that it may result in a decision not to take part in the Combine and/or the Auburn pro day.

What among those things says "good idea"?

[TheRealDeal]

Nope...wouldn't help anyway. I can tell by how you act on this site you have no home training.

I never said Ben and Cam had the same playing style. I have no idea where you got that randomness from. I said they both played in a spread offense. They both only had to make one read and if that failed they both ran. Cam just did the running part better so He had more running plays called for him. Was that clear enough?

That's wrong though.

Cam ran the ball 20.31 times a game his last season, Ben in his last season ran it only 4.79 times a game.

[mav1234]

I am not certain that simply being bigger makes you an inherently better runner, btw. It certainly means you are a bigger target. He's obviously elusive and athletic and incredibly fast for his size, but I think he risks injury if he tries to play like he did in college.

[TheRealDeal]

I am not certain that simply being bigger makes you an inherently better runner, btw. It certainly means you are a bigger target. He's obviously elusive and athletic and incredibly fast for his size, but I think he risks injury if he tries to play like he did in college.

He did get injured in the champ game. Taking a hit like that in the NFL puts you out, not just hobbled.

To be successful he'll have to learn to be Big Ben. They aren't similar now, but that'll be his chance at success. Be elusive and extend plays and make throws downfield, not break the pocket and run.

[monstercat]

NFL scouts aren't happy about it. In fact, they're rather put off by it. That was documented in the article from Rob Rang at CBS.

It it isn't likely to help his draft stock, it annoys NFL scouts, and they've stated themselves that it may result in a decision not to take part in the Combine and/or the Auburn pro day.

What among those things says "good idea"?

Rob Rang probably talked to 10 different people before he got the quotes he wanted. Do you really believe this wasn't an agenda driven article?

This is what the modern sports media does. They spend about 80% of their time looking for a "controversy" to blow all out of porportion, 15% of their time patting themselves on the back because they created that "controversy", and the other 5% doing honest journalism.

After all, the boring, controversy free, articles don't sell advertising or get people fired up for the talk radio guys.

[mav1234]

I never said Ben and Cam had the same playing style. I have no idea where you got that randomness from. I said they both played in a spread offense. They both only had to make one read and if that failed they both ran. Cam just did the running part better so He had more running plays called for him. Was that clear enough?

I don't mean this to be as insulting as it sounds, but do you have any idea what you are talking about?

I decided to go look at Ben's stats because maybe I was confused based on your description of him. I watched him play in college only irregularly but had never remembered him to be a runner.

He had 270 rushing attempts in 3 years. Sounds like a lot I guess, until you realize he ran for a whopping 350 yards in those attempts. That's an impressive 1.3 yards per carry.

On the other hand, he threw 1304 passes in college. That's about 1000 more than Cam Newton did. So there was much more film on him throwing, and he clearly advanced as a passer through his years. He had multiple 3000 yard season and one that was just about at 4500 in his last year, along with a 69.2% completion percentage and 37 TDs in the air (3 on the ground).

To say that Big Ben was a one-read-and-run quarterback is absolute insanity. There is nothing that supports that, not in his play, not in his stats, not in his scouting report. Nothing.

[teeray]

NFL scouts aren't happy about it. In fact, they're rather put off by it. That was documented in the article from Rob Rang at CBS.

It it isn't likely to help his draft stock, it annoys NFL scouts, and they've stated themselves that it may result in a decision not to take part in the Combine and/or the Auburn pro day.

What among those things says "good idea"?

Players have workouts all the time. This isn't unheard of. It is just because it is Cam that this is even a story. The guy he is working out with probably liked what he has seen so much they decided to get him some early exposure to help raise his stock. NO SCOUT said he would not go to the combine or Auburn's pro day because of this workout. That would be the worst logic in the history of scouting. If anything they may skip the 2/10 workout and watch him AT the combine or the Pro Day.

Maybe I am misreading it and they are saying that Cam might decide to not participate at the combine or pro day that would make more sense but even then this isn't unheard of. Last year Jimmy Clausen had his own work out. And it isn't unusual for QB's to not throw at the combine.

This is the biggest non-red flag, red flag in the history of the Draft. If Colin Kaepernick did the same thing we probably would have never even realized it.

And trust me if Cam Newton goes out and crushes it these scouts will get over it pretty quickly on draft day.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't mean this to be as insulting as it sounds, but do you have any idea what you are talking about?

I decided to go look at Ben's stats because maybe I was confused based on your description of him. I watched him play in college only irregularly but had never remembered him to be a runner.

He 270 rushing attempts in 3 years. Sounds like a lot I guess, until you realize he ran for a whopping 350 yards in those attempts. That's an impressive 1.3 yards per carry.

On the other hand, he threw 1304 passes in college. That's about 1000 more than Cam Newton did. So there was much more film on him throwing, and he clearly advanced as a passer through his years. He had multiple 3000 yard season and one that was just about at 4500 in his last year, along with a 69.2% completion percentage and 37 TDs in the air (3 on the ground).

To say that Big Ben was a one-read-and-run quarterback is absolute insanity. There is nothing that supports that, not in his play, not in his stats, not in his scouting report. Nothing.

Hey bro. There will be no fight picking here. Leave those facts at the door or you can just GTFO.