JR condescending to Peyton Manning during CBA meeting?

[SorthNarolina]

If you 100 % believe Feeley and ignore the fact that the players benefit from portraying the owners in this light.

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass if Manning & Brees are butt hurt.

True true. But it's not productive at all to belittle them even if you're right. If you injure their pride it will make it lot more difficult for them to agree to it.

[mountainpantherfan]

You think the Packers book can be a representation of the entire 32 franchises, I do not. But that's with everything, as an Auditor if I am told to vouch for the accuracy of a specific account and have to use sampling, I could not pick just 1 item and test that for attributes and say it represents the whole.

Also it is the NFL making these claims about profits, lack of capital to invest (Which I tend to believe is true). So it is up to them to prove it on paper. They are asking for change so proof should be on them. I don't think the players should make changes based on good word faith from the owners...

If you want to have honest negotiations and get things done for us and the game then Negotiate in honesty. If you say the NFL is having declining profits show it.... Don't say it if that is not the case. Just my opinion. The players are not dumb, and should not get bullied into giving back billions of dollars because of words from the owners and one open book from the Green Bay packers.

Forgot to mention that I do agree with you that one team isn't a true representation of the league. The owners would be wise to open up a couple more teams. But it should be up to the owners which team should be opened up and definently not the entire league.

You do know your stuff. We can disagree but I'm okay with disagree when the other person is knowledgable.

[Lumps]

so who is the designated a hole on the players side? wonder if there are any threads around here bashing him. God its time for a new owner, sadly JR is the type of man who wouldn't let go until the end, despite what proof there is things aren't working out.

[theyhateme45]

You missed my point.

There are a handful of mass market teams that dwarf all the others, yet balance out the NFL financially.

If you have 3/4 of the teams barely covering costs, losing money WITH the revenue sharing, then the financial model in place is BAD regardless.

My point is us the fans, the players, no one knows if that is the case! We don't know if 3/4 of the teams are barely covering the cost. If that is the case then yes I agree with you, but it is on the NFL to prove that is the case.

The revenue sharing is there as an 'equaliser' of sorts, whilst allowing the cap to be in place. If only a few teams can actually handle that amount of revenue being given tot he players, then the team SHOULDN'T open their books as it gives the NFLPA leverage to state the NFL as a whole is coping fine. However it's clear it's not sustainable and will only result in teams having to be sold or relocated.

I guess how I fell is that the salary cap is based on NFL revenue as a whole between players and the owners. Players vs Owners... Not the players setting a cap for each of the 32 teams differently. If the owners don't want it to be like that, or don't want to share with other owners then get rid of the salary cap. But I personally feel it is inappropriate to base the salary cap for the players on anything other than Total NFL Revenues (Revenues after deductions).

I don;t feel that it is clear what the state of NFL teams are because it is all based on just the word of the owners of the other 31 teams owned by owners.

Season after season there are several teams who are thought to be considering relocating. That's just not sustainable.

To my understanding it's only a few and it's for the simple idea of getting a team in LA which could mean major $$$$ for which ever owner goes there.

I really don't understand why people have such an issue with the owner's making a lot of money. It is their money after all (mainly). These teams are the possession of these men, not the cities they reside in or the players. They SHOULD get the biggest slice of the pie.

I believe the owners should make money, you have never heard me say anything otherwise. What I am for is fair and honest negotiations in order to get a deal done and keep the NFL going strong.

Also it is my understanding that Owners or leagues usually setup salary caps to limit their own spendings... To CAP off where they are going to pay. So the owners should not ask for a cap if they are not willing to propose a fair split.

As I said before, I agree that the owners should be able to make profits and be able to reinvest in their business to grow it more, if they can't then show the players why not and why there needs to be a change. It's all about honest negotiations for me.

[Sandy Claws]

True true. But it's not productive at all to belittle them even if you're right. If you injure their pride it will make it lot more difficult for them to agree to it.

True IF it went as stated by the third party, Mr. Feeley. It is possible that Manning and Brees didn't understand the owners' charts and JR explained them. Either way, I don't care if Brees and/or Manning did get torqued a little. They aren't the ones that are going to be suffering if there is a major work stoppage.

[theyhateme45]

...You do know your stuff. We can disagree but I'm okay with disagree when the other person is knowledgable.

Same for Urry.... it's nice to know you can still have knowledgeable debates on the this board while disagreeing.

[Urrymonster]

so who is the designated a hole on the players side? wonder if there are any threads around here bashing him. God its time for a new owner, sadly JR is the type of man who wouldn't let go until the end, despite what proof there is things aren't working out.

It's his team. He can do whatever he wants with it. That's the beauty of the franchises being owned by these men, they are 100% their little toys.

Whether you think he is an idiot is irrelevant, because no matter what the fans do, it will still be his team. Stop going to the games? He can just move the team.

The thing is, if JR was doing these things off the back of a good season then everyone would be worshipping him because of his 'balls'.

His decision to force Fox's ahnd by getting more young players on the roster and playing is exactly what 75-90% of this board had wanted for a long time. However when it happens and doesn't go well it's all his fault :rolleyes:

[Urrymonster]

Same for Urry.... it's nice to know you can still have knowledgeable debates on the this board while disagreeing.

I don't disagree with much of what you are saying, I was simply trying to offer the counter balance as it's never as one sided as people make it out to be.

For the record I don't see JR as having 'lost it', the owners simply wouldn't have him as the front man otherwise.

[chef17]

It's his team. He can do whatever he wants with it. That's the beauty of the franchises being owned by these men, they are 100% their little toys.

Whether you think he is an idiot is irrelevant, because no matter what the fans do, it will still be his team. Stop going to the games? He can just move the team.

The thing is, if JR was doing these things off the back of a good season then everyone would be worshipping him because of his 'balls'.

His decision to force Fox's ahnd by getting more young players on the roster and playing is exactly what 75-90% of this board had wanted for a long time. However when it happens and doesn't go well it's all his fault :rolleyes:

I don't think the problem was him getting young players. It was him doing that AND keeping Fox. He should have cut Fox with the veterans. No way Fox was gonna have a good season with young players, thats not his style.

[Urrymonster]

I don't think the problem was him getting young players. It was him doing that AND keeping Fox. He should have cut Fox with the veterans. No way Fox was gonna have a good season with young players, thats not his style.

How much was Fox on his last year? How much was his entire coaching staff? Now multiply that by two. That's why he felt it made sense to let their contracts naturally run out.

The man is a business man, how do people not get that...

[rico6]

Didn't know Dan Rooney was a complete dick. Guess that explains JR's behavior so far?

[chef17]

How much was Fox on his last year? How much was his entire coaching staff? Now multiply that by two. That's why he felt it made sense to let their contracts naturally run out.

The man is a business man, how do people not get that...

I understand it made sense from a business side. I was just explaining that is why people were upset by it.

[rodeo]

100% of these people saying "he is a business man, this is business" have never actually owned a business. it's not a license to be a dick, in fact it's the opposite.

[Proudiddy]

This is really embarrassing. But, you ignorant, backwoods, "old school", head-in-the-sand mf'ers keep supporting this poo. He not only made us sit through a poo season this year, he's trying his best to ruin football altogether.

What an idiot. He insulted Peyton AND Drew Brees intelligence according to Feely. Yeah, everyone who says he cleared room up to sign free agents in case there was a lockout, good thinking, I'm sure players will be beating down our doors to sign here now. And oh yeah, he was genius in cutting salary to prepare for a lockout, especially when he knew he would single-handedly cause one.