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monstercat Newbie

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Anyone who has Locker ahead of Cam at this stage has no credibility. McShay was high on Locker last year and the beginning of this year. He is trying to save face but that list will change trust me.

Mayock has Locker at #2 as well, and I just don't get it. This kid was simply not an accurate passer in the games I saw, and the overall numbers show that he couldn't have been much better in the games I didn't see. This kid must have one hell of a great personality or something.

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I think if Newton was a white guy and had no past at all, people would be putting him on the top of the boards. i dont want to start a race thing here but i think it has an affect. 1 bad move by a black guy in school and if he talks with slang, he is labled a thug in peoples mind. it seems to happen faster that way then if a dan connor gets in trouble.(which i think he did). im not saying this is all about race but it does play a part. I think newton has some flaws to overcome in his game, but less than Gabbert. i just was not impressed with Gabbert all. Maybe i just caught bad games, but he didnt standout as the next big thing when i watched the games. if im missing something then show me cause i would like to have a QB prospect that i think is worthy of our pick, but Gabbert is MEH? and Newton has a tarnished image.

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If Newton were a white guy with no past at all, he'd be a more athletic The Golden Calf of Bristol, and he'd be in the exact same boat.

Nobody thought The Golden Calf of Bristol was worth the #1 overall pick last year either. Some didn't even put him in the first round.

The whole "it's only because he's black" thing is just stupid.

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i can see that. thats a valid point, except hes bigger stronger and faster. but its close enough for me to agree with you.

People forget just how hotly debated The Golden Calf of Bristol was last offseason.

It wasn't like there was a lot of consensus on him. Some people were willing to take a chance, and a lot of the same arguments (Heisman winner, National Championship QB, "he's a winner", etc) that are being used now were used then as well.

Me? I said the same thing about The Golden Calf of Bristol as I'm saying about Newton, but the circumstances of the team have as much to do with it as the players themselves.

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Gabbert is rated above Newton because he's more of a "traditional" QB. To me, he's got all the same risks associated with him than Cam does without a third of the potential.

Locker? Mallett? You have got to be kidding.

agreed, although people are making an exception with him. he's not "prototypical" NFL QB because he comes from the spread...which apparently doesn't matter as much if you are desperate for someone to fit that traditional QB mold.

i wouldn't even consider him safe, unless you think black so called "running" QB as the definition of safe and white wannabe pocket passers are the only safe options.

still think that is a BS made up qualifier used to keep nontradional QBs in peoples small little boxes as to what works/doesn't work/can't work in the NFL.

the league is changing. the game is changing. it's time people started realizing it.

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People forget just how hotly debated The Golden Calf of Bristol was last offseason.

It wasn't like there was a lot of consensus on him. Some people were willing to take a chance, and a lot of the same arguments (Heisman winner, National Championship QB, "he's a winner", etc) that are being used now were used then as well.

Me? I said the same thing about The Golden Calf of Bristol as I'm saying about Newton, but the circumstances of the team have as much to do with it as the players themselves.

I don't think anybody has forgotten how hotly The Golden Calf of Bristol was debated, unless they were living under a rock.

Anyway, I just have a gut feeling that anybody who passes on Newton is gonna regret it. He is not Vince Young or JaMarcus Russell. He is Cam Newton, and he has a completely different attitude and personality than either of those men, and he's physically better than both of them. Even the people who wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, have to admit that people are drawn to this kid when they meet him in person. All you have to do is watch 30 seconds of one of his interviews and that becomes obvious. And just like our new coaching staff, he is saying and doing all the right things, so far.

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If Newton were a white guy with no past at all, he'd be a more athletic The Golden Calf of Bristol, and he'd be in the exact same boat.

Nobody thought The Golden Calf of Bristol was worth the #1 overall pick last year either. Some didn't even put him in the first round.

The whole "it's only because he's black" thing is just stupid.

i don't agree at all. people hold black QBs to a higher standard and expect them to be perfect and super traditional in every aspect while they will give white QBs a lot more leeway. may not want to admit it, but it's unfortunately true.

you put the white gabbert standing beside the black newton and you are going to automically assume that gabbert is the smarter QB with the higher football IQ. you look at newton and you are going to assume he can't be a pocket passer, ignoring the success and talent he has had as one in addition to his ability to run.

stereotypes accompany black and white QBs. people are blind and naive to ignore it.

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you put the white gabbert standing beside the black newton and you are going to automically assume that gabbert is the smarter QB with the higher football IQ. you look at jewton and you are going to assume he can't be a pocket passer, ignoring the success and talent he has had as one in addition to his ability to run.

He's black and a jew?

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