Jalen Ramsey

[DaveThePanther2008]

It benefits us if Miami and Ramsey aren't getting along.  They are probably looking for a trade partner and being one of those possible trade partners is a good thing.  

I wouldn't give up any more than a 3rd rounder, preferably a 4th, but more importantly I would want Miami to absorb as much of his contract as we can get.  There have been several trades over the years where the receiving team gets relief from the trading team.  I don't believe we should do it unless there is substantial relief from his contract.

His familiarity of Evero and his defense really makes sense I just don't want us to have to be straddled with his contract for the next 3 or 4 seasons. 

[parker]

It's not the pick that concerns me. I'd throw a 3rd at him immediately.  But how does that impact our cap and the ability to sign our own players next year?

[kungfoodude]

24 minutes ago, parker said:

It's not the pick that concerns me. I'd throw a 3rd at him immediately.  But how does that impact our cap and the ability to sign our own players next year?

He wouldn't be insanely expensive for us but he wouldn't be cheap either. $9 mil for 2025 escalates to $19-20 mil for 2026 and 2027 and then skyrockets to $31 mil in 2028. But, after 2025 all the guaranteed money would be gone for us.

[poorboysrev]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He wouldn't be insanely expensive for us but he wouldn't be cheap either. $9 mil for 2025 escalates to $19-20 mil for 2026 and 2027 and then skyrockets to $31 mil in 2028. But, after 2025 all the guaranteed money would be gone for us.

Right. Does mitigate the risk knowing there’s no guaranteed money after this season. A better secondary also helps the pass rush. It’s Tepper’s money not mine ha, as long as the pick is reasonable it makes more sense knowing about the guarantees. Or division is by no means world beaters, go for it

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

Right. Does mitigate the risk knowing there’s no guaranteed money after this season. A better secondary also helps the pass rush. It’s Tepper’s money not mine ha, as long as the pick is reasonable it makes more sense knowing about the guarantees. Or division is by no means world beaters, go for it

I just don't think it makes much sense for anyone involved. He isn't likely to want to be here after downgrading franchises in comparison. Nor does it make a lot of sense for us to have that much potential money tied up on a player closer to the end of his career than the beginning. 

[jfra78]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I just don't think it makes much sense for anyone involved. He isn't likely to want to be here after downgrading franchises in comparison. Nor does it make a lot of sense for us to have that much potential money tied up on a player closer to the end of his career than the beginning. 

It makes sense for us because we could use a vet CB of his level opposite of Horn, even if it's a short term rental.  

[PNW_PantherMan]

I wouldn’t have minded keeping Gilmore around either.  He was a little pricey but he was very good.

[PNW_PantherMan]

10 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He wouldn't be insanely expensive for us but he wouldn't be cheap either. $9 mil for 2025 escalates to $19-20 mil for 2026 and 2027 and then skyrockets to $31 mil in 2028. But, after 2025 all the guaranteed money would be gone for us.

That makes it a lot more reasonable.  You can pull the plug whenever.  He might not be too happy about it though.

[poorboysrev]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I just don't think it makes much sense for anyone involved. He isn't likely to want to be here after downgrading franchises in comparison. Nor does it make a lot of sense for us to have that much potential money tied up on a player closer to the end of his career than the beginning. 

Oh yeah on face level I agree…on the other hand if internally they believe they’re closer than we do then it makes a little more sense IF they do it. Which I doubt 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

It makes sense for us because we could use a vet CB of his level opposite of Horn, even if it's a short term rental.  

An expensive veteran that doesn't want to be on a bad team? I fail to see the logic.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

That makes it a lot more reasonable.  You can pull the plug whenever.  He might not be too happy about it though.

Yeah but why even waste ANY draft capital on a short term rental? Especially on a bad team. It's Fitterer/Rhule era "WE ARE ONE GUY AWAY" kind of BS. 

I would rather just keep the draft capital, roll the cap space and continue to try and build through the draft.

[kungfoodude]

20 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

Oh yeah on face level I agree…on the other hand if internally they believe they’re closer than we do then it makes a little more sense IF they do it. Which I doubt 

I certainly hope they have finally come to the realization we aren't very close. That seems to be the general direction of our entire offseason when we avoided so many pricey veterans very similar to Ramsey. 

I think they finally are taking a realistic and long term view of this roster building. I have no idea how it is going to turn out but it's way better than nuking our future season after season in an attempt to make that "one last move" to put us over the top.

[jfra78]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but why even waste ANY draft capital on a short term rental? Especially on a bad team. It's Fitterer/Rhule era "WE ARE ONE GUY AWAY" kind of BS. 

I would rather just keep the draft capital, roll the cap space and continue to try and build through the draft.

We did it in 2015 when everyone had us ranked in the 20s preseason.  

[PNW_PantherMan]

33 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I certainly hope they have finally come to the realization we aren't very close. That seems to be the general direction of our entire offseason when we avoided so many pricey veterans very similar to Ramsey. 

I think they finally are taking a realistic and long term view of this roster building. I have no idea how it is going to turn out but it's way better than nuking our future season after season in an attempt to make that "one last move" to put us over the top.

I’d throw a 4th at it but nothing more than that.  The fact that the cap space can be reclaimed when needed makes it only a risk on a locker room/team chemistry basis.