The Ringer NFC Offseason podcast

[HaricotVert]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Foles would be the aberation and yes Stafford is/was elite.  His stats in the 2021 season kindof proves it.  4888 yards, 41 tds, 9 in the playoffs with a 70% completion.  Yeah thats next level

Ive always liked Stafford and thought he drew a poo hand going to Detroit but Id say that SB season was the aberration. 

But nitpicking aside - I just want the team to be on the playoff projection in November.  After what weve been through, Ill take a season or two of not being irrelevant in early November.

 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, HaricotVert said:

Ive always liked Stafford and thought he drew a poo hand going to Detroit but Id say that SB season was the aberration. 

But nitpicking aside - I just want the team to be on the playoff projection in November.  After what weve been through, Ill take a season or two of not being irrelevant in early November.

 

Hes been an elite passer his entire career, just on a poo det org.  Would always be a "what if" if he actually came here.  

 

I dont recall the timeline but Stafford seems like the proto type qb that Joe Brady wanted to work with.  A gunslinger that took chances unlike Teddy.

[Basbear]

58 minutes ago, HaricotVert said:

Ive always liked Stafford and thought he drew a poo hand going to Detroit but Id say that SB season was the aberration. 

But nitpicking aside - I just want the team to be on the playoff projection in November.  After what weve been through, Ill take a season or two of not being irrelevant in early November.

 

 

52 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Hes been an elite passer his entire career, just on a poo det org.  Would always be a "what if" if he actually came here.  

 

I dont recall the timeline but Stafford seems like the proto type qb that Joe Brady wanted to work with.  A gunslinger that took chances unlike Teddy.

 

I believe Stanford is the highest all-time player in NFL salary terms. He was the last year of those crazy rookie contract, so day one he was a top 5 guy. Lions paid him well after the deal and so have the rams. He's been weeeeeellllllllllllllllll compensated for playing in Detroit.

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean if you listened to the podcast you would see its not blind "hate" they kindof back up their opinions and Ruiz is a panther fan by choice so theres that

Except he’s not a panthers fan, he’s a Cam fan who only started following the team when Cam was the QB. And yes it bias sticking to your take hate. Even when every grading outlet gives Bryce praise Ruiz would find something to nitpick or find some obscure stat to prove his point.

[DeAngelo Beason]

Absolute worst case scenario for us is we suck, ignore the 5th year option, and draft a new QB onto a team that is pretty well built.  That being said, I think Bryce is turning a corner this year.  

[mrcompletely11]

20 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Absolute worst case scenario for us is we suck, ignore the 5th year option, and draft a new QB onto a team that is pretty well built.  That being said, I think Bryce is turning a corner this year.  

I dont think that is worst case at all.  Worst case is Bryce is exactly like he was the last ten games and not really showing anything, making a decision hard.  If we suck this year there are like 5 potential franchise guys that should be coming out this year.

[DeAngelo Beason]

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I dont think that is worst case at all.  Worst case is Bryce is exactly like he was the last ten games and not really showing anything, making a decision hard.  If we suck this year there are like 5 potential franchise guys that should be coming out this year.

You're right.  This actually is worse.  

Although I would disagree that Bryce didn't show anything the last 10 games.  He was significantly improved.  Sometimes the numbers don't really show that but it was plain as day on film.

[UnluckyforSome]

At some point in the very near future though the potential and hope is not going to be enough. I would expect there to be the confidence to make an unfortunate, or difficult or complicated decision when the time comes, rather than throwing our hands up and producing more reasons why the supposed-franchise player still needs more of this, that and the other to be successful, not just "competitive."

[MGH1989]

On 6/30/2025 at 12:06 PM, GoobyPls said:

Ruiz is a known Bryce hater, and I despise using that word. He didn’t like Bryce as a prospect and he will die on that hill.

Ruiz is one of the worst “analysts” in the NFL media/draft space. If you see a lot of the lists he puts out, just pure click bait and shock value to gain exposure. As for his Bryce take, he is doing what a lot of folks do in draft media. He formed an opinion about a player and wants that opinion to be right and will not deviate from that opinion regardless of what new  information he gets. He is honestly terrible and not a true Panther fan.