Adam Theilen said he came back to play with Bryce, and he expects the Panthers to surprise some people

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

I just don't view Thielen as that consequential to our season.

People have been announcing the death of Adam Thielen for 5 years now.  He was done when we signed him, and last year his yards per game had him on pace for an even better season than 2023.  He's still the best WR we have until proven otherwise.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

I just don't view Thielen as that consequential to our season.

Absolutely if Canales is the QB guru he has been hyped to be he should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time by developing more than one QB. At the end of the day the Dalton contract is for our starting QB's comfort level whether we like it or not. Let's just hope our #1 pick makes us all forget about these little things with at least a fringe elite season.

Don't think about this season as much as the future. I don't think anyone really expects much out of the Panthers this season in terms of contending for anything consequential. Veteran mentorship is important and we've invested a lot of draft capital into our young WRs. Yeah, coaches are important but peer level mentorship can be equally if not more important. Virtually everyone has benefitted from that veteran person at work talking them under their wing and showing them the ropes at some point in their careers. It's different when it's coming from a peer vs. someone you have to report to.

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

People have been announcing the death of Adam Thielen for 5 years now.  He was done when we signed him, and last year his yards per game had him on pace for an even better season than 2023.  He's still the best WR we have until proven otherwise.

I mean, Funchess, LaFell, etc would all be our best WR on the roster too going into this season if you could teleport them from the past. 

coming off an injured year, debating retirement, already being ideally a rotation piece in a legit scenario......that price tag is still tough to swallow 

but on paper we 100% need him.  In reality, for those that can see the future......we all know Hunter Renfrow is about to be America's favorite comeback story. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I mean, Funchess, LaFell, etc would all be our best WR on the roster too going into this season if you could teleport them from the past. 

coming off an injured year, debating retirement, already being ideally a rotation piece in a legit scenario......that price tag is still tough to swallow 

but on paper we 100% need him.  In reality, for those that can see the future......we all know Hunter Renfrow is about to be America's favorite comeback story. 

Only 2mm difference in cap hit and dead cap.  This bed was made a while ago.  Given our team composition, I'd argue it's really not a tough pill to swallow.  We don't have any stars.  This was a Charlotte Hornets deal from the get go.  I'm just thankful he's been as productive as he has.

Maybe he'll fall off a cliff this year.  Or maybe one or more of the young WRs will break out in the season.  But as of right now, he's our best WR because he consistently gets open and catches the ball.

[frankw]

16 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

People have been announcing the death of Adam Thielen for 5 years now.  He was done when we signed him, and last year his yards per game had him on pace for an even better season than 2023.  He's still the best WR we have until proven otherwise.

Bruh we had one of the ugliest passing offenses of the last quarter century with Adam Thielen as our focal point. Even as a 3rd or 4th option he isn't going to make or break any games. This staff needs to develop young talent.

[frankw]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Don't think about this season as much as the future. I don't think anyone really expects much out of the Panthers this season in terms of contending for anything consequential. Veteran mentorship is important and we've invested a lot of draft capital into our young WRs. Yeah, coaches are important but peer level mentorship can be equally if not more important. Virtually everyone has benefitted from that veteran person at work talking them under their wing and showing them the ropes at some point in their careers. It's different when it's coming from a peer vs. someone you have to report to.

You guys are entitled to your opinion but I'm not letting our staff off the hook. We have coaches who are paid to develop receivers. We have an offensive minded head coach. We do not need to pay 8-9 million a piece to aging WR's and QB's other teams would scoff at signing just to develop our young roster.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, frankw said:

You guys are entitled to your opinion but I'm not letting our staff off the hook. We have coaches who are paid to develop receivers. We have an offensive minded head coach. We do not need to pay 8-9 million a piece to aging WR's and QB's other teams would scoff at signing just to develop our young roster.

So what do you propose?  Cut him and save 2mm?  Package a draft pick to try and trade him?  I don't even know what you're arguing tbh.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

But as of right now, he's our best WR because he consistently gets open and catches the ball.

He doesn't get open.  But he does have hands. 

Next Gen had him #3 with hands and #92 in getting open.  Which feels about right. 

[Johnstonny]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Don't think about this season as much as the future. I don't think anyone really expects much out of the Panthers this season in terms of contending for anything consequential. Veteran mentorship is important and we've invested a lot of draft capital into our young WRs. Yeah, coaches are important but peer level mentorship can be equally if not more important. Virtually everyone has benefitted from that veteran person at work talking them under their wing and showing them the ropes at some point in their careers. It's different when it's coming from a peer vs. someone you have to report to.

Fug them...catch the ball...that will determine our season.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, frankw said:

Bruh we had one of the ugliest passing offenses of the last quarter century with Adam Thielen as our focal point. Even as a 3rd or 4th option he isn't going to make or break any games. This staff needs to develop young talent.

And that's Adam Thielen's fault? It's the fault of the one guy who produced? Dafuq?

[frankw]

15 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

So what do you propose?  Cut him and save 2mm?  Package a draft pick to try and trade him?  I don't even know what you're arguing tbh.

Contract is already signed can't unring the bell. I just don't want to see us taking important reps from our young receivers and tight ends. Barring a literal miracle this is only a development season. Make the most of it.

[frankw]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And that's Adam Thielen's fault? It's the fault of the one guy who produced? Dafuq?

Produced to what end exactly? We've had a bottom 3 offense at best each year he's been here.

Man you guys crack me up. Carry on.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

Produced to what end exactly? We've had a bottom 3 offense at best each year he's been here.

Man you guys crack me up. Carry on.

He's the one guy in the receiver unit actually producing and yet you single him out for the blame. That's what's odd. Don't blame the one thing that wasn't broken. It's bizarre this needs to be explained. He was signed to be a high level #3 WR. It's not his fault that our roster's overall failure forced him into a role he's no longer suited for. The guy has been everything we signed him to be.

[frankw]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's the one guy in the receiver unit actually producing and yet you single him out for the blame. That's what's odd. Don't blame the one thing that wasn't broken. It's bizarre this needs to be explained.

101 in YPC and 54th in touchdowns in 2023 with 1k yards.

In 2024 when our passing offense supposedly showed growth he was still 43rd in YPC and 50th in touchdowns.

The only thing odd and bizarre is thinking that justifies 9 million a season bud. It doesn't. We can accept it because we're Panthers fans but that's about it.

Edited 22 hours ago by frankw