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[NAS]

I remember being so high on Trey Lance coming out, I bought into the hype.   He looked a serviceable backup last night, I kind of wished he was on our roster. 

[LinvilleGorge]

54 minutes ago, NAS said:

I remember being so high on Trey Lance coming out, I bought into the hype.   He looked a serviceable backup last night, I kind of wished he was on our roster. 

He was one I didn't get the hype on at all. I remember watching that nationally televised game he had right before they shut their season down and was baffled. Like, this is just TEMU The Golden Calf of Bristol.

I think a lot of the hype is because Carson Wentz had just come out of NDSU a few years prior which let's be real, for a program like North Dakota State to produce those two QBs is still pretty incredible.

[Waldo]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He was one I didn't get the hype on at all. I remember watching that nationally televised game he had right before they shut their season down and was baffled. Like, this is just TEMU The Golden Calf of Bristol.

I think a lot of the hype is because Carson Wentz had just come out of NDSU a few years prior which let's be real, for a program like North Dakota State to produce those two QBs is still pretty incredible.

He had plenty of tools but was a big project in a really hard time to evaluate talent with the crap covid did to that season. Him going in a really weak class, maybe historically bad QB class, pushed him way too high. That's the kind of backup I would love to draft later behind a solid established starter. 

Yall put way too much into schools. They are all just practice squads at best. Even Alabama at their height couldn't pull a win from any NFL squad. 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

He had plenty of tools but was a big project in a really hard time to evaluate talent with the crap covid did to that season. Him going in a really weak class, maybe historically bad QB class, pushed him way too high. That's the kind of backup I would love to draft later behind a solid established starter. 

Yall put way too much into schools. They are all just practice squads at best. Even Alabama at their height couldn't pull a win from any NFL squad. 

 

I think a D1-AA program producing two highly drafted QBs within the last 15 years or so is pretty incredible. That's it, that's all. No one is trying to say any college team would beat any NFL team. Dafuq you talking about? LOL 

[Captroop]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

I remember being so high on Trey Lance coming out, I bought into the hype.   He looked a serviceable backup last night, I kind of wished he was on our roster. 

Trey Lance was the reason I came up with the completely unscientific "Trey Lance Test." When watching a QB's college highlight reel, what percentage of the highlights are accompanied by the play-by-play announcer saying, "Wide Open!"

With Lance, I think it was like 60%. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Captroop said:

Trey Lance was the reason I came up with the completely unscientific "Trey Lance Test." When watching a QB's college highlight reel, what percentage of the highlights are accompanied by the play-by-play announcer saying, "Wide Open!"

With Lance, I think it was like 60%. 

That was one of the concerns I had with Bryce's tape completely independent of the concerns about his physical tools. Watching a lot of his play those dudes were absolutely WIDE ASS OPEN.

[Captroop]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That was one of the concerns I had with Bryce's tape completely independent of the concerns about his physical tools. Watching a lot of his play those dudes were absolutely WIDE ASS OPEN.

In a sense it's good. You want your QB to be able to find and hit the open man. Tom Brady had a hall of fame career doing exactly that. But at the same time you really want to know they can make the more difficult throws as well. 

I remember watching Lance's tape and being blown away by the talent and arm strength. And then just noticing, "boy, that's like the third or fourth clip in a row where they've said, 'wide open!' That's a little odd." Then I couldn't stop noticing.

Not to re-litigate this, but watching Stroud, some of those throws I just wouldn't think are even humanly possible.

[csx]

Lance never made a lick of sense in the first round. He has a very awkward throwing motion.

Edited August 1 by csx

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, csx said:

Lance never made a lick of sense in the first round. He has a very awkward throwing motion.

So did Phillip Rivers 

[Waldo]

36 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think a D1-AA program producing two highly drafted QBs within the last 15 years or so is pretty incredible. That's it, that's all. No one is trying to say any college team would beat any NFL team. Dafuq you talking about? LOL 

Well all the schools are pretty much the same thing with different bank accounts. It only looks different to people who watch that level. 

My take was who gives AF about those programs vs what the NFL teams do to coach up guys coming in from bigger programs that still need major work. Hell Young came from Bama and still has kid gloves on going into year 3 lols. I just think that people who watch that level of play get it twisted constantly. There are 64 QBs thst are starters and main backups so no shocker that 665 NCAA football teams don't pop out talent good enough for those 64 spots every year...which is what I was saying about those programs. 

Not trying to be a hit peice but I just don’t care about the schools or their play, just the prospect. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

Well all the schools are pretty much the same thing with different bank accounts. It only looks different to people who watch that level. 

My take was who gives AF about those programs vs what the NFL teams do to coach up guys coming in from bigger programs that still need major work. Hell Young came from Bama and still has kid gloves on going into year 3 lols. I just think that people who watch that level of play get it twisted constantly. There are 64 QBs thst are starters and main backups so no shocker that 665 NCAA football teams don't pop out talent good enough for those 64 spots every year...which is what I was saying about those programs. 

Not trying to be a hit peice but I just don’t care about the schools or their play, just the prospect. 

I get all that but you're just spouting off against something no one is even saying.

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I get all that but you're just spouting off against something no one is even saying.

You literally were talking about a game he played in as an example. Not his ability but play in scrub time. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

You literally were talking about a game he played in as an example. Not his ability but play in scrub time. 

What? Have you fallen and hit your head, man? LOL 

[csx]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So did Phillip Rivers 

Rivers was a 4 year starter in a conference that produced nfl qbs.

My comment about his motion wasn't intended to be the key reason for not taking him in the 1st. Just a response to those raving about his passing.  He was avery inexperienced passer with major questions about his technique and the obvious competition level.

Rivers had more pass attempts his senior year than Lance had in his college career