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[PNW_PantherMan]

2 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

As for who fixed his mechanics...

 

Well that would be Ken Dorsey...

Who also worked with Cam Newton from 2013-2017. 

Did Ken Dorsey really fix it?  He's a QB whisperer, or he gets credit for coaching the unicorn?  

[carpanfan96]

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Did Ken Dorsey really fix it?  He's a QB whisperer, or he gets credit for coaching the unicorn?  

Yes he fixed it. Look at Josh's throwing motion when he got drafted. 

 

I mean they showed it during the game last night and how bad it was. 

 

Wasn't just Dorsey, they used a full team to work on his kinetics

Edited 3 hours ago by carpanfan96

[PantherChris]

9 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think its a bit reductive to say its about coachability.  A new class of freaks enters the NFL every year and we do not have 1 Josh Allen per year to show from it.  Far from it really.

The reality is that Josh Allen is 1 of 1, and bad teams will continue to spend countless resources flailing at high ceiling project QBs in the first round.

Saying its about coachability makes it sound like the QB development problem is solved.  When the reality is, if you could reproduce Josh Allen, then Josh Allen would have no value.  But the opposite is true.  He's probably the MVP.

Most of them dont put in the work and hence are not coachable.

 

[PantherChris]

9 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Anthony Richardson is the closest thing to Josh Allen as you could get, if he could get the right staff. He played 12 games in college, he should have sat for three years before ever starting in the NFL, period. I’d be fine trading for him if it was for a late round pick. Sign a bridge QB, let him stew, hiring some offensive people from the Bills who knows how Josh’s development took place. 
 

that said, Josh is one of one period. He’s a good human being, great teammate, great leader, intelligent, big, fast, physical, and he can throw a ball 65 yards on a rope. It really is crazy considering how he looked coming out of Wyoming. 
 

The crazy thing is that most every player you see in the NFL, the Panthers have had the ability to draft at one time or another. No one to blame for sucking other than Tepper, in my opinion. This has been the worst stretch in franchise history and it began with him. 

Richardson has not shown hes anywhere close to coachable yet......

The other thing about it is you have to really want sucess and completly lose the mind set of you can just go out and be successfull because of your athleticism.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Most of them dont put in the work and hence are not coachable.

 

So it's nothing but hard work? That's bullshit. The Bills did a great job of identifying Allen as a naturally talented passer who had fixable mechanical flaws. Passing accuracy isn't something everyone can just work on and magically improve. I'm sure Josh Allen works his ass off but I'm also sure he's not literally the hardest worker in football history and I have never seen anyone improve so dramatically as a passer. Everyone deserves credit here. Allen for putting in the work and the Bills for identifying his flaws as fixable and helping him fix them.

[PantherChris]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

Cam was notoriously set in his ways, too. I would be surprised if he put in 10% of the work to improve his mechanics and ownership of the game. Josh manages to get to the line with 20 seconds on the play clock. Josh knows how to set-up the defense. Josh can throw on a rope 65 yards downfield in year 8. 

There really is no comparison to be made between Cam and Josh anymore. It's sad to me but it's true. Josh is what Cam could have been had he put in the same amount of work, which I'm fairly confident he didn't. 

Bingo, Josh Allen and Cam Newton are as close as two NFL QBs will ever be physically.

[PantherChris]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So it's nothing but hard work? That's bullshit. The Bills did a great job of identifying Allen as a naturally talented passer who had fixable mechanical flaws. Passing accuracy isn't something everyone can just work on and magically improve. I'm sure Josh Allen works his ass off but I'm also sure he's not literally the hardest worker in football history and I have never seen anyone improve so dramatically as a passer. Everyone deserves credit here. Allen for putting in the work and the Bills for identifying his flaws as fixable and helping him fix them.

Its literally the aspect of quarterbacking that can be most improved by coaching.

No one said he was, what he is happens to be a freak athlete who is willing to change his bad habits and put in work. 

 

I watched every game Cam played as a panther and he still had the same sloppy footwork and tendency to revert to trying to out athlete guys late in his career that he did early. Its a main contributor to his being out of the NFL at 31.....  he realied entirely on his arm and never learned to consistently add power to his throws from his feet.

Edited 3 hours ago by PantherChris

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

Bingo, Josh Allen and Cam Newton are as close as two NFL QBs will ever be physically.

Cam could have been there but his lack of desire to truly improve killed his shot. That comes from always being the biggest guy in the room. 
 

Allen had to come from JuCo, through Wyoming, and then to the NFL where he was terrible. He was forced to work. 
 

Another guy that has followed a similar path, that has a big arm and I’ve seen in person, is Joey Aguilar now at Tennessee. I wanted us to pick him up out of App as a late round pick but he got one more year of eligibility, and he’s taking advantage of it. He’s got potential to be an NFL QB and is used to the work required to constantly elevate. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So it's nothing but hard work? That's bullshit. The Bills did a great job of identifying Allen as a naturally talented passer who had fixable mechanical flaws. Passing accuracy isn't something everyone can just work on and magically improve. I'm sure Josh Allen works his ass off but I'm also sure he's not literally the hardest worker in football history and I have never seen anyone improve so dramatically as a passer. Everyone deserves credit here. Allen for putting in the work and the Bills for identifying his flaws as fixable and helping him fix them.

100%.  If it was all attitude and heart, QBs like Josh Allen would be coming off of a factory line.  He's a physical freak.  He came in super talented as a passer.  He had serious flaws that were fixable.  He had the development support to help him fix those flaws.

It's like saying anyone can be as good of a shooter as Steph Curry if they're coachable enough.

[PantherChris]

43 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

100%.  If it was all attitude and heart, QBs like Josh Allen would be coming off of a factory line.  He's a physical freak.  He came in super talented as a passer.  He had serious flaws that were fixable.  He had the development support to help him fix those flaws.

It's like saying anyone can be as good of a shooter as Steph Curry if they're coachable enough.

Lol Curry was an elite shooter the moment he stepped into the big leagues, dude wasn't out there shooting 15% from three.

 

Accuracy is 100% coachable, its the physical talent that cant be coached lol.

 

Josh Allen completed 52% of his passes for 10 tds and 12 ints as a rookie....

 

Improving from that to what he is now is NOT NATURAL talent it is work....

 

Arm strength is natural, Size is natural, speed ect.....

 

ACCURACY and passing are not NATURAL abilities beyond the aforementioned natural elements.....  its a dedication to a craft.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by PantherChris