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1 hour ago, cranky said:

Sam Arnold was brought here, had a couple of bad games and was summarily trashed by everyone. 

Darnold took the Vikings to the playoffs with a 14-3 record last year and has the Raiders looking good this year.

Mayfield went on to the Bucs after and has led them to 3 straight NFC Championships. Again, neither of them are “starting” material according to a lot of you.

 

Sorry bud, I can't take you seriously if you don't even proofread your own post? 

1. It's Sam Darnold

2. Darnold is now playing for the Seahawks

3. Bucs did not go to 3 straight NFC championships, it's NFC South division

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26 minutes ago, cranky said:

I disagree. I think Mayfield with Canales would have been successful here. They were at least while together in Tampa.

Smarter football people than me pointed out that Baker was a horrendous fit for a Ben Mcadoo doo offense. By the way, that guy is senior defensive assistant for the Eagles now, that's how badly Rhule was searching the bottom of the barrel for a one year OC. 

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11 minutes ago, CarolinaSock said:

This is a straight lie. Height and weight aren't the only tools. Prime Manning and Brees had plenty of arm and were actual legit savants at reading defenses and "processing". Murray has a cannon and makes Young look like he's running in mud by comparison.

I don't know its fair to compare Prime Mannning and Brees to Young after two seasons especially given his first was with Reich who I think did more harm than good to Young's development.

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6 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

Sorry bud, I can't take you seriously if you don't even proofread your own post? 

1. It's Sam Darnold

2. Darnold is now playing for the Seahawks

3. Bucs did not go to 3 straight NFC championships, it's NFC South division

lack of proofreading doesn't change the facts. 

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17 minutes ago, bandu said:

the problem with hiring an established head coach with an impressive resume is that he is going to get his "his guy " at Qb .their carrers are on the line & have to much money to lose at stake . so of course they do not  want to take on a failed project like fixing an undersized Qb such as Bryce Young 

simply put you want a better head coach you have to also get a better Qb ...just saying

Not sure I want Canales gone as much as I want him to find a sense of urgency and get a little more creative with his play calling. But I can't disagreee with what you say

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While I get what you are saying, none of the QBs you mentioned (except maybe Baker with a fully healthy squad) are a threat of winning a superbowl. We all know what Darnold is - a good QB when he faces no pressure (you could probably say something similar of Bryce). As soon as teams started blitzing Minny last year, he folded like a house of cards (even with elite skill position players). And I need to see more than 2 games of Danny Dimes to believe in him - once teams get tape of the new playbook, let's see how he does then.

At the end of the day, Bryce is a backup QB who can do well if he has a top 5 oline, receivers, and defense. Otherwise, he will be the QB that will throw a ton of checkdowns and will look good when teams are in prevent D.

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17 minutes ago, cranky said:

I don't know its fair to compare Prime Mannning and Brees to Young after two seasons especially given his first was with Reich who I think did more harm than good to Young's development.

Development. You really think he looks different than two calendar years ago? I just don’t. 
Icing on the cake is he was supposed to be developed and ready to start, and win, while making average WRs better. Point guard. Elite processor. Ring a bell? 

Everyone has had to forget about that and just hope he can look average. 

95% of his time on the field has been a fail, maybe 90%. He has caught lightning in a bottle one game, and maybe a half in a couple of others. Or a drive. That’s about the size of it. 

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1 hour ago, TD alt said:

Let me provide you with some food for thought. Before this "now era" of the NFL, QBs were allowed time to develop. Everyone from the GM to the fans had more patience. QBs were simply better, or at least more fundamentally sound, in the old days because they were afforded the time to sit, observe and learn. It's no wonder that guys we threw away, or simply didn't want, have had varying degrees of success elsewhere. 

Some Huddlers were talking crazy about Jordan Love and Lamar Jackson---just crazy...

That is definitely not necessarily true. There were ample instances throughout NFL history of young QB's playing early. You might be thinking of college football where that was definitely not a thing.

I would push back on the "learning" part. It isn't as if there are gobs of reclaimation projects littering the NFL. Most of those guys either end up as career backups or flame out quickly. 

IMO, it's more that they were not NFL players in the first place. That has literally been a thing as long as the NFL/NFL Draft existed.

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2 minutes ago, cranky said:

lack of proofreading doesn't change the facts. 

you are talking about all these other Qbs being somewhat successful & ignoring all the many more others who failed 

so it's not facts.facts will tell you the whole story good & bad.  instead you are cherry picking in an attempt to prove a theory .in theory you believe as a result of these othe hand picked  Qbs you aforementioned carrers that will somehow correlate to Bryce Young success as a NFL Qb in the future ? 

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1 hour ago, frankw said:

Sam Darnold - All the physical tools

Baker Mayfield - All the physical tools

Daniel Jones - All the physical tools

Bryce Young????????

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Since you are so enamored with their physical tools, let's look at thier performance in their second year.

  • Jones, 62% comp, 11 TD, 10 Int, (1.1 td to int ratio) 0 game winning drives, 80.4 rating
  • Darnold 62% comp, 19 TD, 13 Int, (1.46 td to int ratio) 3 gwd and an 84.3 rating
  • Mayfield 59.4% comp, 22 td, 21 int, (1.0 td to int ratio) 1 gwd and a 78.8 rating
  • Young (all year) 61% comp, 15 td, 9 int, ( 1.6 td to int ratio), 4 gwd and a 82.2 rating 
  • Young (after benching) 62% comp, 15 td, 6 int, ( 2.5 td to int ratio) 4 gwd and an 84 rating

I don't see how he this that much worse regardless of his physical traits.

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5 minutes ago, bandu said:

you are talking about all these other Qbs being somewhat successful & ignoring all the many more others who failed 

so it's not facts.facts will tell you the whole story good & bad.  instead you are cherry picking in an attempt to prove a theory .in theory you believe as a result of these othe hand picked  Qbs you aforementioned carrers that will somehow correlate to Bryce Young success as a NFL Qb in the future ? 

I just highlighted previous Panthers QB's that the board has trashed. The others were added as they had similar fates.

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