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10 hours ago, strato said:

okay I buried the lead with this at the end but it needs to be up front, then we have the rebuttal I started out with. 
 

A designated Hail Mary QB, and designated QB sneaker… that is some unheard of stuff. I would be willing to bet a large sum (relatively) that only one player in the history of the league has required those accommodations.

Cool. I think my point is he did not ruin Luck, Luck vouched for him by hiring him at Stanford.
And he did not negatively impact Young. The NFL negatively impacted him because he doesn’t have an NFL game. It was just… Bryce, meet reality. This is the NFL not Alabama. He is still trying to get his game up to snuff and we are in year three. Also the resources used on him after he got to the NFL? We had a bottom 5 worst defense in history basically (17 game stats vs the old 16 game stats make it look worse), because he needed so much help. . 
 

Kyler Murray has a designated "Sneaker" incase you didn't notice last Sunday.

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3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Kyler Murray has a designated "Sneaker" incase you didn't notice last Sunday.

I did not watch the game just the breakdowns. I haven’t watched any defensive stuff of us. 
 

Obviously did not know that. But no designated Hail Mary thrower, Bryce remains alone at the ‘top’. 

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16 minutes ago, strato said:

I did not watch the game just the breakdowns. I haven’t watched any defensive stuff of us. 
 

Obviously did not know that. But no designated Hail Mary thrower, Bryce remains alone at the ‘top’. 

It wasn't a designated thrower. Reich decided to let Andy do it because he thought Bryce hurt his shoulder the weak before. It was the wrong decision then and it pissed Young and Tepper off. He should have let him throw it anyway, even if he thought he couldn't. It was another reason he got fired. 

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It wasn't a designated thrower. Reich decided to let Andy do it because he thought Bryce hurt his shoulder the week before. It was the wrong decision then and it pissed Young and Tepper off. He should have let him throw it anyway, even if he thought he couldn't. It was another reason he got fired. 

 

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1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

It wasn't a designated thrower. Reich decided to let Andy do it because he thought Bryce hurt his shoulder the weak before. It was the wrong decision then and it pissed Young and Tepper off. He should have let him throw it anyway, even if he thought he couldn't. It was another reason he got fired. 

So if no more designated thrower I guess the Hail Mary from outside of a certain YL just won’t be in the playbook. 
 

Of course it would piss Tepper off lol. 

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1 minute ago, strato said:

So if no more designated thrower I guess the Hail Mary from outside of a certain YL just won’t be in the playbook. 
 

Of course it would piss Tepper off lol. 

You would have to ask Canales. I'm guessing the 50 YL is the limit from all that I have watched of Young. Granted I have not seen every pass he's thrown. But I have seen him throw a couple that had that much air under it. One completed and one incomplete if my memory serves me accurately. 

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10 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You would have to ask Canales. I'm guessing the 50 YL is the limit from all that I have watched of Young. Granted I have not seen every pass he's thrown. But I have seen him throw a couple that had that much air under it. One completed and one incomplete if my memory serves me accurately. 

You've seen Young throw a 50 yard air pass in the NFL? I cant remember one but I usually stop watching before the end of his games.

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You would have to ask Canales. I'm guessing the 50 YL is the limit from all that I have watched of Young. Granted I have not seen every pass he's thrown. But I have seen him throw a couple that had that much air under it. One completed and one incomplete if my memory serves me accurately. 

I have seen him do 45 yards I think. Not saying he can’t do more, that’s just what I remember seeing. I won’t need Canales’ input here.

I never heard that story but Reich playing Bryce when he thought he hurt his shoulder does not make real good sense to me. I mean, he is okay to throw everything else and take hits but not to air one out?

It isn’t a good play with him anyway. He’d drop 15 yards and have to do that run up to launch it and would probably get smacked by a defender. 

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5 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

You've seen Young throw a 50 yard air pass in the NFL? I cant remember one but I usually stop watching before the end of his games.

I think he's has some 40 yards in the nfl but they are rare. Under Frank he never had the time to throw one a majority of them. Under Canales I've yet to see one either.  Whether it's Young or the play call is yet to be determined. 

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11 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

You've seen Young throw a 50 yard air pass in the NFL? I cant remember one but I usually stop watching before the end of his games.

I can't find an incompletion over 44 yards.  And I can't find a completion over 28. 

Not saying they don't exist but NextGen doesn't have anything greater for either on his passing charts. 

Bryce probably could get it 50 but like most big throws he makes he isn't going to make it unless he pretty much has enough time to get set

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2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think he's has some 40 yards in the nfl but they are rare. Under Frank he never had the time to throw one a majority of them. Under Canales I've yet to see one either.  Whether it's Young or the play call is yet to be determined. 

I’m suspicious of his arm for sure. 

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3 minutes ago, strato said:

I have seen him do 45 yards I think. Not saying he can’t do more, that’s just what I remember seeing. I won’t need Canales’ input here.

I never heard that story but Reich playing Bryce when he thought he hurt his shoulder does not make real good sense to me. I mean, he is okay to throw everything else and take hits but not to air one out?

It isn’t a good play with him anyway. He’d drop 15 yards and have to do that run up to launch it and would probably get smacked by a defender. 

That was Frank's excuse after the game when he was asked about it. Young was visibly upset on the sideline and in his interview after the game. All he would say is the coach makes the decisions and he trusts the coaches.  When asked about his shoulder he said he felt fine. 

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

I can't find an incompletion over 44 yards.  And I can't find a completion over 28. 

Not saying they don't exist but NextGen doesn't have anything greater for either on his passing charts. 

In the nfl he hasn't thrown many at all. Thats on the coaches.

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