Mayock on Gabbert

[Highlandfire]

The laptop isn't a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact. The only reason he wasn't arrested and prosecuted is because the owner of the comp dropped charges because he fear retaliation from members of the football team.

Exactly. FACTS are the cops showed up and he tossed it out the window of his dorm. they had his ass dead to rights. FACTS ARE he was about to be booted perminately from the U of F for cheating THREE times.

Look this kid has issues and they are very serious concerns.

[thunderraiden]

Mayock is respected and is one of the best draft analysts but given that most of them are not that great, it may not be saying that much. For my money I trust a guy like Gil Brandt more. He has been there and done that.

If you look at his mock draft in 2009 he didn't have a quarterback in the top 10 and had the top pick as Eugene Monroe.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d80d41b6d/article/monroe-takes-over-the-no-1-spot-in-list-of-top-20-prospects

Here is how the draft actually went:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1

His top pick went 8th and was the third OL taken in the draft. The guy he rated as the second and third best on the OL all went before his pick. Stafford went number 1 who he had as his second best quarterback at 13. Sanchez who he had at 11 went 5th.

How about in 2010??

He had Bradford going 5th and Clausen going 20. The Golden Calf of Bristol who went 2nd at number 17 of the first round he had ranked behind both Clausen and McCoy who went in the third round.

So honestly the fact that Newton is his 3rd ranked quarterback means little regarding how things will actually play out.

So while his overall analysis is respected, his mock drafts and positional rankings particularly at quarterback rarely mirror what actually happens in the actual draft.

thats not a mock draft you have mayock posted, its a BPA chart.... and other than 2 or 3 it seems to be pretty accurate. If you look at the bust from that year... i don't see much if any on mayocks draft board. This is coming from someone that is objective and has no favor for Mayock or any other guesser.

[MHS831]

What is with the chest thumping about being a professor? And aren't you jumping to just as many conclusions about Cam based on what few comments that are available ?

Would not have been mentioned if my credibility was not attacked. Chest thumping is not why I earned a doctorate. It was simply to show you that attacking my comments by questioning my intelligence on the subject of psychology exposed how irrational you and 55 were being. I would not question someone with such certaintly on a topic that was not in my area of expertise. So, I would not do any "chest thumping" if discussing politics with a mayor, or medicine with a physician, etc. I know my stuff and part of that is knowing what I don't know. I was sharing psychology insights and you and your buddy didn't like what I had to say, so you attacked--not using intelligence or counter facts--just questioning my expertise in the subject. I don't build self esteem or get mad on these boards, but I will defend myself. You need to know when you are intelligent and when you are not. That will help you along your journey.

[Jackofalltrades]

Like I've said before, this isn't the only incident. The cheating, the traffic offenses- they show a pattern of poor decision making. They show signs of a guy who just doesn't get that the rules apply to him.

Having said that, he's been sqweeky clean the last couple years so he is showing some signs of maturation, but all these incidents give me pause for the face of a franchise who will have to lead by example on and off the field.

[mav1234]

actually the cheating allegations are unsubstantiated rumors. There is no "proof" that it was that bad. not defending him because I have no doubt he cheated but we have no way of knowing he was about to be kicked out of Florida. Hell, someone on the committee that would have done that said Cam never got to their doorstep if I recall.

still. laptop is... bad.

[Jackofalltrades]

I believe those allegations have been substantiated, I'll have to go back to the article I read and confirm that.

[MHS831]

lol I know many psychologists, they're not psychics. They only try and explain the phenomena they see. To flash this psychology lecturer card is hence a huge fallacy, because it doesn't point to what psychologists really do.

And I suppose you are going to tell me what we do? Judging by your attempt to compose a complex sentence, I imagine your expertise on the subject is not based on education or experience.

[MHS831]

Like I've said before, this isn't the only incident. The cheating, the traffic offenses- they show a pattern of poor decision making. They show signs of a guy who just doesn't get that the rules apply to him.

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A reporter at the news conference today at the Combine asked him about allegations involving stealing from teammates' lockers in addition to 4 (FOUR) counts of academic cheating and the stolen computer. Cam said he would not discuss the past and he is only interested in the future.

[teeray]

I believe those allegations have been substantiated, I'll have to go back to the article I read and confirm that.

Not only are they unsubstantiated, it was reported by "a" source. Usually before you report something like this you want multiple sources to confirm. This guy doesn't even have that.

Doesn't make it untrue, but I wouldn't take it as absolute truth either.

[nagai]

And I suppose you are going to tell me what we do? Judging by your attempt to compose a complex sentence, I imagine your expertise on the subject is not based on education or experience.

Scream all you want, but let me tell you this, I don't care if you are a college professor. If you're telling me that you can judge Cam's FOOTBALL intelligence just from the limited footage you see on ESPN or whatever, then for heaven's sakes, at least show your reasoning. There is a reason that people are doubting you, and it's not because we all have some sort of personal vendetta against you. I think it's obvious that no one's going to listen to your 'educated conclusion' based on just flashing your credentials on the internet nonetheless. You can just try to fight this by verbally abusing everyone else, but I think even you know that it won't mean a thing.

[mav1234]

I believe those allegations have been substantiated, I'll have to go back to the article I read and confirm that.

It's possible an "anonymous source" reported on them. I have no doubt there is something behind his cheating and his transfer out of Florida did have "interesting" timing but because of confidentiality laws I don't think anyone has been able to show definitively he was about to be kicked out.

[Jackofalltrades]

Fair enough, for my own personal reasoning I'll stick with the old cliche "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

[teeray]

It's possible an "anonymous source" reported on them. I have no doubt there is something behind his cheating and his transfer out of Florida did have "interesting" timing but because of confidentiality laws I don't think anyone has been able to show definitively he was about to be kicked out.

He finished his semester at Florida so take the timing for what it is worth.

And media outlets don't like to use just one anonymous source. If you read most article it is "anonymous sources".

Again that doesn't mean it isn't true. But it is a lot more credible (not the reporter but the source) if you can confirm it with a second source.

My guess is Fox Sports thought their source was solid so went with the story. I still wouldn't take this as gospel. We don't know but the Panthers will investigate this.

[teeray]

Fair enough, for my own personal reasoning I'll stick with the old cliche "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

i have a long post about that cliche in another thread.

It is a cliche prosecutors use to convey guilt in the absence of conclusive evidence.

Every day people are acquitted from crimes they didn't commit. The reason they were charged was bc of smoke.

Devon Ramsey at UNC was ruled ineligible by the NCAA bc of smoke. He has since been proven to have not committed a violation and has now been reinstated.

It is a poor, poor cliche. No offense Jack :)