Where do you fall on the Bryce Young spectrum?

[cranky]

30 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why would you cherry pick a number of games and lay it out vs other players 2nd year?  Seems disingenuous.  

He was benched part of his second season and I didn't think it was fair to use abbreviated numbers to compare with a whole season with the other. Given how badly you and other have claimed him to be this year, I would have thought you would have preferred his numbers from this year to be included. 

[strato]

2 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

I think most realistic fans realize if Bryce shits the bed this season it's over for him. 

He needs the team to win games now or he will be at the very least not the unquestioned starter next season. 

The indulgence he has been afforded causes me to wonder what the bar is for ‘shitting the bed’.  
 

Edited 5 hours ago by strato

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, cranky said:

He was benched part of his second season and I didn't think it was fair to use abbreviated numbers to compare with a whole season with the other. Given how badly you and other have claimed him to be this year, I would have thought you would have preferred his numbers from this year to be included. 

Dude this is literally what I do for a living.  When comparing results you want the method and the sample size to be identical.  What point is it to pull random data to suit your argument?   Trust me stay in your lane with this one.   And you know there is a reason he didnt play 17 games last year.  Guess why

 

The data is there, look at everything, yards, atts, tds, fumbles, etc   Everything.   Cherry picking is so elementary

[cranky]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Dude this is literally what I do for a living.  When comparing results you want the method and the sample size to be identical.  What point is it to pull random data to suit your argument?   Trust me stay in your lane with this one.   And you know there is a reason he didnt play 17 games last year.  Guess why

 

The data is there, look at everything, yards, atts, tds, fumbles, etc   Everything.   Cherry picking is so elementary

It's not cherry picking. Its going back 17 games and comparing it to second years for the others. I guess I could have gone into everyones 3rd season and starting from game 6 going back but that's too much work given it wouldn't change the results that much.

And as far as starting from now, it's because that's where we are. I could care less about his first year.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

It's not cherry picking. Its going back 17 games and comparing it to second years for the others. I guess I could have gone into everyones 3rd season and starting from game 6 going back but that's too much work given it wouldn't change the results that much.

And as far as starting from now, it's because that's where we are. I could care less about his first year.

Yes, that is exactly what you should have done dude, exactly.  If its too hard then fuging dont go the cheap way out trying to make a point.  Also why focus on simply to's, look at everything in context and let the posters make the correlation.  I mean the data is there and if you are trying to skew it to make a point I will say again that is just elementary.    Also look at the timing of the turnovers.  I mean context is everything.  And saying Bryce doesnt have an issue with them is fuging funny

[cranky]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Dude this is literally what I do for a living.  When comparing results you want the method and the sample size to be identical.  What point is it to pull random data to suit your argument?   Trust me stay in your lane with this one.   And you know there is a reason he didnt play 17 games last year.  Guess why

 

The data is there, look at everything, yards, atts, tds, fumbles, etc   Everything.   Cherry picking is so elementary

I have all that data ( yards, atts, tds, fumbles, ypa, ypa, etc) and would be glad to post it all but I can assure you it will not help your arguement

[cranky]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Yes, that is exactly what you should have done dude, exactly.  If its too hard then fuging dont go the cheap way out trying to make a point.  Also why focus on simply to's, look at everything in context and let the posters make the correlation.  I mean the data is there and if you are trying to skew it to make a point I will say again that is just elementary.    Also look at the timing of the turnovers.  I mean context is everything.  And saying Bryce doesnt have an issue with them is fuging funny

I focused on the TO's because the guy said he had too many turnovers. If you had read that, you would have understood the point I was making. 

And as far as TO's, I included Ints and fumbles measured against drop backs. Felt that wa the fairest way to look at it. Looking at just Int's, he looks even better.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

I have all that data ( yards, atts, tds, fumbles, ypa, ypa, etc) and would be glad to post it all but I can assure you it will not help your arguement

I dont care about my argument I care about the accuracy of what you are trying to do.   You cannot take 2 separate data sets and compare them as one.   It doesnt work like that.  If you have the data lay it out let us decide.    I mean for fugs sake why not throw in Mahomes 3rd year for shits and giggles?

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

I focused on the TO's because the guy said he had too many turnovers. If you had read that, you would have understood the point I was making. 

And as far as TO's, I included Ints and fumbles measured against drop backs. Felt that wa the fairest way to look at it. Looking at just Int's, he looks even better.

nevermind Ill let you post your "data"

Edited 5 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[cranky]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

I dont care about my argument I care about the accuracy of what you are trying to do.   You cannot take 2 separate data sets and compare them as one.   It doesnt work like that.  If you have the data lay it out let us decide.    I mean for fugs sake why not throw in Mahomes 3rd year for shits and giggles?

Well if Mahomes is the standard to measure by, then 90% of the QB's in the NFL are failures.

I'll gladly post all the data for you later this evening. I've been looking for an excuse to throw them up here

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Totally disagree. Listen to his teammates. He is the glue that keeps the offense together. He has the confidence to Keep Pounding. If you listened to him miked up against Miami you could see him willing his teammates to stay positive which mushroomed when he lead the comeback after burying us early with errors. You can see how hard his teammates fight for him and the team. He is the heart of the offense which as a QB is his biggest job as a leader.

I mean, I understand his teammates publicly support him. He genuinely seems like a good person, for sure.

That is not what makes a successful NFL QB, unfortunately. 

[CRA]

55 minutes ago, cranky said:

First off the point is his turnover percentage is no worse than any in that list so saying he has too many turnovers is simply not accurate - at least when compared to others. Secondly, you'll have to show me something to prove the aggresive and accounting part. It's just your opinion at this point to me. 

I mean, I don’t have to explain Brett Favre and Teddy Bridgewater were doing drastically different things with the football.   If someone doesn’t want to acknowledge that, no one convince them to see it 

Same with Bryce and basically every QB you named.  Bryce and Cam Newton flat out shouldn't  be judged by just cherry picking a random stat.  Convo is broader.  They played the position nothing alike.  You can also take completion % as another example.  Bryce’s should be drastically higher than a Cam in terms of completion % because of how they go about the pass game (pre injury Cam). 

every QB you named was aggressive with the ball (we ain’t talking ancient Brees here).  Bryce isn’t.  Not pulling numbers if you refuse to accept basics. 

[CRA]

35 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, I understand his teammates publicly support him. He genuinely seems like a good person, for sure.

That is not what makes a successful NFL QB, unfortunately. 

there is a 100 mile long list of NFL players and coaches going to bat and defending horrible play from teammates.   

[fanpanther]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

there is a 100 mile long list of NFL players and coaches going to bat and defending horrible play from teammates.   

i really cant think of a single time an nfl player has came out and ever said yeah that guy sucks even when the qbs completly suck