Bryce's Achilles Heel Is Not What You Think It Is

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34 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

You watched him throw the ball 50 air yards and it was perfectly in stride. He did get to step into the throw or crow hop into it. He had a defender closing the space.

But you doubt he can just heave it 50 yards to the end zone without perfect circumstances? That doesn’t make much sense.  I guarantee you Bryce can throw the ball ~60 yards.

Reich and Canales both wouldn't let him attempt a hail mary, I wonder why? I guess it doesn't really matter whether he cant or wont. The results are the results. 

[mrBdawg]

7 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Reich and Canales both wouldn't let him attempt a hail mary, I wonder why? I guess it doesn't really matter whether he cant or wont. The results are the results. 

I figure if he can throw it 50 accurately standing still with pressure he can likely throw it 60 stepping into it and heaving.

At the end of the day the Hail Marys probably don’t matter much though. What matters to me is attempting more of the 40-50 yard shots, and stop throwing them out of bounds.

i think he has always led his deep balls outside and out of bounds because he’s scared of throwing a pick. It drives me nuts. If it’s an interception oh well, it’s an arm punt. But give your guy a chance

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6 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

I figure if he can throw it 50 accurately standing still with pressure he can likely throw it 60 stepping into it and heaving.

 

 Tell that to Reich and Canales. If it was me I would have had him attempt both hail marys even if he couldnt do it. Not being able to make that play isn't the end of the world but add in no QB sneaks and other things he cant do and it adds up to a big disadvantage. 

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At least bryce is great at qb sneaks.

[mrBdawg]

1 minute ago, Shotgun said:

 Tell that to Reich and Canales. If it was me I would have had him attempt both hail marys even if he couldnt do it. Not being able to make that play isn't the end of the world but add in no QB sneaks and other things he cant do and it adds up to a big disadvantage. 

Reich was an idiot and a terrible coach. He didn’t give a single fug, ever. His favorite play to run was all curls. As for canales, a lot of teams don’t throw Hail Marys to close out a half. As conservative as Canales can be, it’s not surprising at all

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4 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

Reich was an idiot and a terrible coach. He didn’t give a single fug, ever. His favorite play to run was all curls. As for canales, a lot of teams don’t throw Hail Marys to close out a half. As conservative as Canales can be, it’s not surprising at all

Especially with Young at QB. lol

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13 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

Reich was an idiot and a terrible coach. He didn’t give a single fug, ever. His favorite play to run was all curls. As for canales, a lot of teams don’t throw Hail Marys to close out a half. As conservative as Canales can be, it’s not surprising at all

He knew the deal. He got screwed. And was pissed off about it. He could have worked with CJ. Who I am only mentioning because he was behind door number 2. 
And I don’t think he even got to choose his OC. Who was a running back, didn’t know QBs. 

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[mrBdawg]

13 minutes ago, strato said:

He knew the deal. He got screwed. And was pissed off about it. He could have worked with CJ. Who I am only mentioning because he was behind door number 2. 
And I don’t think he even got to choose his OC. Who was a running back, didn’t know QBs. 

He was just a really bad coach at that point. I have colt fan friends who couldn’t stand him and his archaic offense. A new hire coach typically doesn’t get much say on draft picks though.

Even if he was screwed, what he did with that offense was malpractice. He made zero adjustments to his offense. We ran empty or shotgun every damn play, the only run was inside zone. Our route concepts were just fuging horrible and out severely out dated. He utilized ZERO motion. He took a good running team and destroyed it, and absolutely screwed up Bryce’s development.

Canales at least has implemented a modern offense with several formations and a real scheme. He’s adjusted and tailored his offense to his players as any good coach would.

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3 hours ago, mrBdawg said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/iBZY75KLCwE?si=UrcgkDeJ2-KBfmHR

What does this have to do with Cam?

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6 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

He was just a really bad coach at that point. I have colt fan friends who couldn’t stand him and his archaic offense. A new hire coach typically doesn’t get much say on draft picks though.

Even if he was screwed, what he did with that offense was malpractice. He made zero adjustments to his offense. We ran empty or shotgun every damn play, the only run was inside zone. Our route concepts were just fuging horrible and out severely out dated. He utilized ZERO motion. He took a good running team and destroyed it, and absolutely screwed up Bryce’s development.

Canales at least has implemented a modern offense with several formations and a real scheme. He’s adjusted and tailored his offense to his players as any good coach would.

Call me a slanderer but I don’t think Bryce could operate from under center. You saw his dropback right? Worst thing Inever saw. 
I was flabbergasted watching our number one pick in the first game. I am numb to it now, it doesn’t register, but I had never seen such crap in an NFL game. Go look at his footwork, his drops, the whole package from those first few games. 
 

Frank may have been a mid NFL coach but he knew..

I mean it’s like they sent him on the Normandy invasion with a BB gun. 

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3 hours ago, strato said:

That’s a nice litt,e argument you have constructed there. I counter with a simple one. Have you watched the way the games were called for Dalton?

By two different staffs. 

Dalton has had 3 throws of 40+ air yards since 2023: he's 0-3 (0%) with 1 INT

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10 minutes ago, fieryprophet said:

Dalton has had 3 throws of 40+ air yards since 2023: he's 0-3 (0%) with 1 INT

You looked up some stats. Congratulations. 
I can’t put you in the frame of mind of watching Bryce’s two first NFL starts and then seeing Dalton come in. 
So whatever I say you probably won’t get the effect. 
It was a different experience watching Dalton run the offense. 
 

and Dalton is not the be all end all, but he looks like an NFL QB and operates like an NFL QB and the contrast was 180. 

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[mrBdawg]

30 minutes ago, strato said:

You looked up some stats. Congratulations. 
I can’t put you in the frame of mind of watching Bryce’s two first NFL starts and then seeing Dalton come in. 
So whatever I say you probably won’t get the effect. 
It was a different experience watching Dalton run the offense. 
 

and Dalton is not the be all end all, but he looks like an NFL QB and operates like an NFL QB and the contrast was 180. 

That was definitely true then but I don’t think it is much anymore. Bryce actually had a higher YPA than Dalton last year 

[fieryprophet]

29 minutes ago, strato said:

You looked up some stats. Congratulations. 
I can’t put you in the frame of mind of watching Bryce’s two first NFL starts and then seeing Dalton come in. 
So whatever I say you probably won’t get the effect. 
It was a different experience watching Dalton run the offense. 
 

and Dalton is not the be all end all, but he looks like an NFL QB and operates like an NFL QB and the contrast was 180. 

You can characterize it however you want, but at each step you are saying "this is what I saw" and what I am providing is actual data. And at no point have I ever characterized Bryce as some deep throwing savant, merely pointing out that the data does not support the idea that he is incapable of attempting and making those kinds of throws.

In fact, if we want to get into the analytical weeds, I have my own quarterback metric that I have developed over the years that has a higher correlation with wins than either passer rating or ANYA or ESPN's QBR, and it places Bryce as the 25th rated QB in all of football. If I was biased in any way I'd try to massage the formula to make him look better but the reality is that his lows have greatly weighed on his overall average even this season and he absolutely needs to continue to improve to give this team a chance at future championships.

If you want to dive into the data yourself check out https://qba.info