QBs that would cost next to nothing and are better than anything we currently have.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, they're both in that good backup/mediocre starter category. If you put them in a good situation they can be effective game managers with limited upside. Put them in a bad situation and they're gonna look like how Jones has looked in bad situations.

Jones is a less athletic and less gunslinger version of Purdy, as well. What he(Jones) does well doesn't translate into every offense.

[strato]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Okay. I see what you mean.

I honestly am just not as fixated on that deep pass element because I do genuinely believe that has largely been a product of the offense slightly more than Bryce himself.

I looked at 20+ yd passes(NFNGS) based on Bryce vs. Dalton. Bryce was actually throwing deep more often, which did surprise me. Not a remarkable amount.

I tend to think the lack of deep targets is more the fault of the offense. I think the lack of general success on deep targets, is Bryce.

I always go back to the first game Bryce played in the NFL. I was really bothered by two things. His lackadaisical meandering dropback, no urgency at all. Like what’s the hurry. 
And no deep balls. 
I don’t know what to say other than put them in the fuging play book. 
I seem to remember game after game where someone had done well the previous week and it was promised that they would get them involved more. And then crickets on game day. I think finally we went deep more one game just because of something like that. Memory is fuzzy on the specifics. 

Edited 3 hours ago by strato

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, strato said:

I always go back to the first game Bryce played in the NFL. I was really bothered by two things. His lackadaisical meandering dropback, no urgency at all. Like what’s the hurry. 
And no deep balls. 
I don’t know what to say other than put them in the fuging play book. 
I seem to remember game after game where someone had done well the previous week and it was promised that they would get them involved more. And then crickets on game day. I think finally we went deep more one game just because of something like that. Memory is fuzzy on the specifics. 

He did only throw 1 pass 20+ in that game.

I think he is still struggling to adjust to the NFL. At Alabama he was able to extend plays and play backyard football. That's not only not the style of offense we have been running but his physical skills don't lend themselves to that style of play at this level. 

So, the amount of issues he actually has to clean up are WAAAAAY more than I anticipated as a guy that had Bryce #1 on my board in that draft class. 

I am just not seeing a reasonable path for him to clean it all up and develop in a reasonable timeframe 

[strato]

I am no football savant as has been demonstrated here over and over, but I saw it. 
I went for years doing the mock draft thing and researching the players that we might get around our pick, time consuming stuff. And we would get to the draft and trade the pick. All that time, wasted. 
So I quit doing that. Also realized I was not a scout and would never be a scout and went to looking the videos and reports After  we picked a guy. 
Maybe I would look at the 1st round, but quit that too and just looked after we picked. 
 

When they did that trade I saw Bryce and his size and just ruled him out. Then it got to yeah they are probably going to take him, I relented and looked at some video and got to his pro day. It took me all of a few minutes to see the issues. The footwork. The arm. And the tape of games? The backyard style. I knew, what can I say? 
(Also, went down the physical checklist, not a single plus attribute on the NFL level. Arm, speed, size, etc, nothing to offset the negatives. nothing) 

I think it was easy for me because I had not watched a single game he played in college,and wasn’t drawn in by the hype. Had no preconceived notions and just looked at it pretty clinically. 

I got in here and everyone was going “but look at what he did in college! It is the SEC, if he can do it in the SEC he can do it in the NFL!”

Couldn’t reason with hardly anyone. 
I don’t think I could tell you which guy would succeed between two prototypical guys with great arms and athleticism, and have no special insight into any of that. My one calling in football scouting was to see the real about what we were about to do. And you still don’t know for sure until they get in a real game in the NFL. 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[rmoneyg35]

There’s always a QB sitting somewhere that could be a good starter that just needs a to be given a chance.

 

Kurt Warner was a back up who was playing arena football and NFL Europe and couldn’t even win the starting job until an injury happened. He ended up being the NFL MVP and winning a superbowl.

 

our own Jake Delhomme became our starter after being a career back up and nfl Europe QB.

 

Brady, arguably the best QB of all time was a 6th round pick.

Daniel Jones was supposed to be done with and now he’s one of the top QBs of this season that’s turned a team into a top contender.

 

Theres someone out there that just needs the right system, the right situation on the right team. We just have to find him.

 

on a side note, think of how many great QBs that we never got to see because they were never given a shot, maybe they were sitting behind a great QB or the coaches didn’t like them. The sad truth is that there’s plenty of good players that end up being wasted.