Coaching

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, RevJ said:

Coaches will have strengths and weaknesses but Rivera was as good a man as we've had in the HC position.  

Canales has some positives but I suspect he gives out participation trophies from time to time.  Like it or not, the team seems to have taken on his personality,

I wanted Harbaugh or Quinn but honestly don't think Tepper will bring in a bigger dog than he thinks he is.

I was a big Ben Johnson fan but that wasn't happening.

I've come to believe Canales was the guy Morgan wanted all along.

[OldhamA]

32 minutes ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

that's the thing with canales, he coaches the team like high school JV coach

there's no punishment for playing terrible week after week and the players know that

it took a "leadership council" meeting to start rico over chuba

He learned everything he knows from a guy that won a National Title and a Super Bowl...

[OldhamA]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Is there a solution to Bryce other than replacing him?

(don't see one)

Canales is more likely to stick around than Young. And sorry, but having a quarterback other than Bryce doesn't fix everything for Canales.

I think it helps a great deal. We can't currently run the full playbook.

[OldhamA]

3 hours ago, scratched said:

This loss is a sign of poor coaching. This team was unmotivated and looked lost from the beginning. In what was a pivotal game for our season, they come out unprepared and failed to make adjustments! For as bad as BY is, and he is BAD!, we looked lethargic and not ready. 

Way too much emphasis in the NFL and College is put on coaching.

All coaches make mistakes. All coaches call good plays.

At the end of the day Jimmy Johnson's quote is undefeated: It's the Jimmys and Joes, not the Xs and Os.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

2 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Way too much emphasis in the NFL and College is put on coaching.

All coaches make mistakes. All coaches call good plays.

At the end of the day Jimmy Johnson's quote is undefeated: It's the Jimmys and Joes, not the Xs and Os.

mistakes?

saints had 8-9 in the box and were run blitzing all day long

and canales couldn't scheme up anything with Bryce only able to throw 5 yard out routes

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I think it helps a great deal. We can't currently run the full playbook.

The playbook we have is focused around the players we have.

That said, even having the greatest playbook doesn't mean much if you call the wrong plays.

[OldhamA]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The playbook we have is focused around the players we have.

That said, even having the greatest playbook doesn't mean much if you call the wrong plays.

Canales' playbook calls for far more deep shots than Young can execute. 

We have guys running wide open downfield every game - he can't see them and he definitely can't hit them.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

mistakes?

saints had 8-9 in the box and were run blitzing all day long

and canales couldn't scheme up anything with Bryce only able to throw 5 yard out routes

Even a short out route can be effective against the kind of defense we saw today if you run it off of play action.

A big part of coaching is using what your opponent is doing against them.

Again, we didn't do that.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

Canales' playbook calls for far more deep shots than Young can execute. 

We have guys running wide open downfield every game - he can't see them and he definitely can't hit them.

Doubt we have that much insight, but accepting that as a premise still leads to poor coaching.

You have to adapt to what you have.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Canales' playbook calls for far more deep shots than Young can execute. 

We have guys running wide open downfield every game - he can't see them and he definitely can't hit them.

I literally don't understand why people still say this. That was not the case in Tampa.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I literally don't understand why people still say this. That was not the case in Tampa.

From what I recall, Canales had a lot of WCO influences in the past.

A typical WCO focuses on short, quick passes, a complimentary run game and occasional downfield shots. That was Andy Reid's bread and butter in Philly with McNabb. Ditto Bill Walsh with Montana.

A Coryell style attack would do more longball passing. That's not us.

What we've been running lately most closely resembles a smashmouth style with only minimal passing. Brandon Staley and the Saints anticipated that, schemed their defense around it, and we didn't adjust.

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr. Scot

[strato]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Even a short out route can be effective against the kind of defense we saw today if you run it off of play action.

A big part of coaching is using what your opponent is doing against them.

Again, we didn't do that.

This all comes back to the player. Our QB is not good with play action. At all. 
I said before the game I wish we could run play action. It is the obvious counter to what they were doing to us. 
 

As far as the keep pounding for a yard strategy… The way it looked to me, we were 3 points down most of the game. 
 

We saw that as soon as we tried to open it up bad things happened. It seems to me that we should have gotten outside more,  but I was doing radio and didn’t see the game to see how NO was playing things other than the absolutely predictable stacked LOS. 

I do t know what the answer was, but I know what it wasn’t and that was put it in Bryce’s hands unless we were desperate. 
This is what we are dealing with and maybe the silver lining is people that refused to see couldn’t help but see today. Maybe we can escape two more years of Bryce, or worse. Three. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

This all comes back to the player. Our QB is not good with play action. At all. 
I said before the game I wish we could run play action. It is the obvious counter to what they were doing to us. 
 

As far as the keep pounding for a yard strategy… The way it looked to me, we were 3 points down most of the game. 
 

We saw that as soon as we tried to open it up bad things happened. It seems to me that we should have gotten outside more,  but I was doing radio and didn’t see the game to see how NO was playing things other than the absolutely predictable stacked LOS. 

I do t know what the answer was, but I know what it wasn’t and that was put it in Bryce’s hands unless we were desperate. 
This is what we are dealing with and maybe the silver lining is people that refused to see couldn’t help but see today. Maybe we can escape two more years of Bryce, or worse. Three. 

We ran play action once or twice today, but not enough.

Most of the pressure was in the middle of the field. The answer to that is to run outside pitches, screens and quick outs. Instead, we kept trying to pound Dowdle up the middle (even into the fourth quarter).

No guarantee that would have worked, but it absolutely should have been tried.