Mike White or Hendon Hooker coming back?

[ProcessBlue2]

39 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

 

Totally fair points, but I think it's being overlooked that the locker room seems to genuinely like and believe in Bryce.

You sign a guy off the street and bench Bryce for them, you're going to lose the locker room in an instant and it will cause much bigger problems moving forward than just putting up with Bryce the rest of the year.

And yes, that would be way better for T-Mac's production, but as I've said all year long, while I want to see T-Mac succeed, I'm not rooting for that over the team itself and in particular, our long term outlook.

So like I said above, I think that would be great for T-Mac's production, but terrible for the overall locker room and team morale, which would lead into an ugly offseason.  You just have to let Bryce finish out the year as it's what will keep the players engaged and caring, benching their guy is a good way to get players to quit and/or just be pissed at the organization.

If this is in Week 3 or something, it's a different scenario, but there are only 7 games left in the season, we're pot committed and just need to play out our hand at this point.

No I wouldn’t bench now. I’m just enjoying the thought of how refreshing it would be. 
 

If you want to get rid of Bryce, you keep playing him. Then you bench him towards the end of the season and don’t allow him to come back in NO MATTER WHAT. You wait until December when he has an abysmal performance and you never let him see the field again. 

[ProcessBlue2]

38 minutes ago, Jmac said:

If they can't see he is killing this team, then all hope is gone 

Have to let it play out I think. At least until Mid-December then do it. Let him have an ass game, pull the plug, and let everyone stew on it. The sell him for whatever you can’t , who cares what.

[strato]

Best case for me is he stinks it up, except the last game where he plays great.

They sell his ass to someone. 
 

edit: okay that is not right. Best case is he turns it on this week and doesn’t turn it off ever again. 
If you believ that could happen then, okay. I just don’t see it and don’t want people to be fooled again, and we have a Groundhog Day thing. 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[tukafan21]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think they should see value in trying to win. Continuing with Bryce is the opposite of that. 

If Canales still believes in Bryce, he can leave with him, IMO.

Again, I'm clearly no Bryce defender, but even I'll say that I think we have a better chance of winning with Bryce at QB than someone who isn't currently on an NFL roster.

And more importantly, I think the players would believe that as well.

Bryce is not good and I don't think he should be a starting QB in this league.  But there is no way a player not good enough to be on a roster right now is a better option if you're trying to win games.

If you want to make the argument that they will have a better arm and we'll be able to throw passes we can't currently with Bryce.  Then yea, I would be 100% in agreement, but that's a totally different argument, and one I wouldn't be against if they have the type of arm who can do what I wanted Jameis for, and to pepper our young play makers with targets at all levels for them to see those passes in games and get better.

The problem is I'm not sure any of those guys really have that type of arm or mentality to do it properly, and thus I don't think it's a path worth taking after 10 weeks of the season.

[strato]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Again, I'm clearly no Bryce defender, but even I'll say that I think we have a better chance of winning with Bryce at QB than someone who isn't currently on an NFL roster.

And more importantly, I think the players would believe that as well.

Bryce is not good and I don't think he should be a starting QB in this league.  But there is no way a player not good enough to be on a roster right now is a better option if you're trying to win games.

If you want to make the argument that they will have a better arm and we'll be able to throw passes we can't currently with Bryce.  Then yea, I would be 100% in agreement, but that's a totally different argument, and one I wouldn't be against if they have the type of arm who can do what I wanted Jameis for, and to pepper our young play makers with targets at all levels for them to see those passes in games and get better.

The problem is I'm not sure any of those guys really have that type of arm or mentality to do it properly, and thus I don't think it's a path worth taking after 10 weeks of the season.

If we let him go tomorrow what roster would he be on that would play him? He is bad. 

[tukafan21]

6 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

No I wouldn’t bench now. I’m just enjoying the thought of how refreshing it would be. 
 

If you want to get rid of Bryce, you keep playing him. Then you bench him towards the end of the season and don’t allow him to come back in NO MATTER WHAT. You wait until December when he has an abysmal performance and you never let him see the field again. 

Nope, you ride it out on the rims

I said it in another post, but if you do that and then Canales can get just one good looking game out of some scrub QB we just signed, it could be just like Bryce's couple good games late last year and Canales is brought back too.

Only way you do that is if you're also firing Canales at the same time so you eliminate that possibility.

[KatsAzz]

4 hours ago, strato said:

I think they are committed to giving him the rest of the games to prove he is worth then 5th year option. Fair plan. 
 

He can prove it in the negative with a couple more games like Sunday, and they may be free to try something or someone else. 

If the Panthers ( Owner and Management ) haven't figured out by now that Bryce Young is not worth the 5th year option, they don't deserve to  be involved with an NFL team.

[tukafan21]

Just now, strato said:

If we let him go tomorrow what roster would he be on that would play him? He is bad. 

100% someone would sign him with the hope of him being their backup next year as their reclamation project, just like Darnold and Jones in recent years.

In fact, I could very well see the Vikings or 49ers sign him as a 3rd QB, or even as a PS guy because Bryce would know those guys have had a reputation of late for fixing guys with the bust label.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Again, I'm clearly no Bryce defender, but even I'll say that I think we have a better chance of winning with Bryce at QB than someone who isn't currently on an NFL roster.

And more importantly, I think the players would believe that as well.

Bryce is not good and I don't think he should be a starting QB in this league.  But there is no way a player not good enough to be on a roster right now is a better option if you're trying to win games.

If you want to make the argument that they will have a better arm and we'll be able to throw passes we can't currently with Bryce.  Then yea, I would be 100% in agreement, but that's a totally different argument, and one I wouldn't be against if they have the type of arm who can do what I wanted Jameis for, and to pepper our young play makers with targets at all levels for them to see those passes in games and get better.

The problem is I'm not sure any of those guys really have that type of arm or mentality to do it properly, and thus I don't think it's a path worth taking after 10 weeks of the season.

Bryce isn't an NFL QB. That's the big issue. These guys aren't either but a couple of them have had more successful NFL careers to date.

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Bryce isn't an NFL QB. That's the big issue. These guys aren't either but a couple of them have had more successful NFL careers to date.

Fair, but having had a more successful career to date doesn't mean we would be more likely to win games 11 through 17 this season with them as our starting QB.

We'd are able to do other things, but they still wouldn't be as good as we would be with Bryce.  There is a formula we can win with Bryce as our starter, but it requires a good running game, a good defense, and Bryce making just enough of his rare shining great plays to get us those wins.  

It sucks for us to watch as fans, and I understand the desire to see more.  But I think sticking with Bryce is what is best for the franchise long term.  It keeps the guys together as a family who is playing for each other.  That way when we move on from Bryce and maybe Canales, the new HC and QB will come into a locker room that is still together, rather one that fell apart over the last 2 months of the year because we benched Bryce for a guy off the street and still sucked.

[snowmanss1]

I'm very curious on seeing Mike White play on this offense. Hoping it happens...

[Jmac]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Best available are probably:

• Nate Sudfeld
• Taylor Heinicke
• Tim Boyle
• Desmond Ridder
• Mike White

White at least spend some time here.... not much, but must have some idea of what they do here.

Edited 2 hours ago by Jmac

[Jmac]

30 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Have to let it play out I think. At least until Mid-December then do it. Let him have an ass game, pull the plug, and let everyone stew on it. The sell him for whatever you can’t , who cares what.

How many more "ass" games do you need to see??

[strato]

49 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

If the Panthers ( Owner and Management ) haven't figured out by now that Bryce Young is not worth the 5th year option, they don't deserve to  be involved with an NFL team.

I understand your feelings. But one of them owns the team and must be shown not told. Apparently.