Why does Bryce get the blame?

[CRA]

1 hour ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Bryce is not trending up. He is the same QB he has always been. Bottom of the league in most categories. 
If Canales thinks he can build a contender with Bryce then he is a bigger idiot then I thought. 
Offense next year will have the same issues and be just as inconsistent as it was this year. 
We have seen Bryce’a ceiling and it is 175 yards a game and that is not a QB you keep around as your starter. That is barely a backup. 

 

Yeah, the trending up narrative is wild gaslighting. 

4 of his last 6 games.

102, 124, 138, 167 and 169 passing yards with 3 total TDs and 5 turnovers in those games.  I mean, that isn't even backup caliber QB play.  

People consistently let the anomalies do way too much talking and let it mask way too much.    

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Yeah, the trending up narrative is wild gaslighting. 

4 of his last 6 games.

102, 124, 138, 167 and 169 passing yards with 3 total TDs and 5 turnovers in those games.  I mean, that isn't even backup caliber QB play.  

People consistently let the anomalies do way too much talking and let it mask way too much.    

 

 

yikes, but mac and bone told me this very morning that he has been a top PFF qb for the last 4 weeks

[electro's horse]

4 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

And how’s that highest paid OL holding up in pass protection? Not good

 

Amazingly well considering the injuries and shuffling around. Joe Gilbert deserved a lifetime contract. I literally not remember a time when the panthers had better overall depth, and the only better lines off the top of my head are 2015, 2008, and 2003. 15 and 08 had no injuries at all (basically most important factor for offensive line play) and in 2003 they were all taking horse steroids.

resources invested isn’t predictive, or it should be but isn’t. It shows where the priorities of the team were going into the seasons. And for two seasons now this team’s money and free agency and draft have prioritized the offense. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, frankw said:

Bryce had his best statistical game ever this season against the Falcons but aside from that he has been either hot lukewarm or ice cold. And sandwiched in between the games he's won have been games like the 49ers loss and getting swept by the Saints with the division and the playoffs on the line. Only to some Panthers fans could that be considered "trending up" because we have lowered the bar so much for our third year #1 overall pick. I've legitimately never seen anything like it. Bryce Young is number 5 on the list of games played by Panthers QB's in franchise history with 43 games which is 2 games shy of tying Kerry Collins for number of games played as a Panther. And he has a 13-28 record. Yet he's "trending up". GTFO 🫵

Oh, come on.

That "career record" includes the first year disaster under Reich (actually under Tepper, but hey).

But even if it didn't, a career win-loss record doesn't tell you how somebody is doing right now. 

That's basically like saying you can't judge by his performance against the Rams because he looked terrible in week one. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Yeah, the trending up narrative is wild gaslighting. 

4 of his last 6 games.

102, 124, 138, 167 and 169 passing yards with 3 total TDs and 5 turnovers in those games.  I mean, that isn't even backup caliber QB play.  

People consistently let the anomalies do way too much talking and let it mask way too much.    

Thought you were done with this conversation...

(for the second or third time)

Accusing someone else of gaslighting while pulling out selective stats is ironic enough, but given how you've done in this thread I'm not surprised.

You haven't given a single substantive answer, you've dodged questions repeatedly, cut and paste the same stuff about half a dozen times, and for several pages now rather than actually throwing anything relevant out there as a counter, you've just stuck to attacking me. 

You've lost, dude. Probably best to go ahead and actually take that exit you keep saying you're going to take

[Mr. Scot]

50 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Amazingly well considering the injuries and shuffling around. Joe Gilbert deserved a lifetime contract. I literally not remember a time when the panthers had better overall depth, and the only better lines off the top of my head are 2015, 2008, and 2003. 15 and 08 had no injuries at all (basically most important factor for offensive line play) and in 2003 they were all taking horse steroids.

resources invested isn’t predictive, or it should be but isn’t. It shows where the priorities of the team were going into the seasons. And for two seasons now this team’s money and free agency and draft have prioritized the offense. 

Gilbert or Harold Goodwin?

I know Gilbert is officially listed as the OL Coach but that was Goodwin's role last year before they gave him one of those goofy "Run Game Coordinator" titles. 

Far as I know, they're both coaching OL. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Here's one of the most maddening things, that will be shown in full light over the next three weeks.

The same people around here that called Darnold a bum and Mayfield a washed up over draft are also the ones saying Bryce is a catastrophe. Yeah, and I've been one who said Bryce wasn't big enough, brave enough or capable enough. I said back in the day that Darnold had a lot of fight in him and got shouted down. And on Mayfield, heck I didn't know, I just knew we had a very, very bad team that was run terribly.

But I saw both of those guys go out there and resurrect their careers and be play-off bound since shaking the Carolina clay dust off their cleats. And we sat there and cat called their cars as they pulled out of the parking lot, laughing at what nobodies they were.

Over the next three weeks, those two guys may just serve us sh!t sandwiches and then settle down to their just desserts. And then we'll probably let Bryce go off into the realm of other teams.

And when that happens, will we see him coming back, better than before and we're left to re-sit this cycle all over again? Same naysayers, same results, same revolving carousel of ponies and pundits? 

Will we end up looking like the Temu version of the San Diego Chargers back in the day watching Drew Brees come to fruition in the previously moribund Superdome while we whiff on a Manning pick just to be jilted for Phillip "Always a Bridesmaid" Rivers?

I could try and predict our future or I could just go straight to banging my head on the wall

The plot of this franchise over the Tepper era has been like a bad movie.

[CRA]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Thought you were done with this conversation...

(for the second or third time)

Accusing someone else of gaslighting while pulling out selective stats is ironic enough, but given how you've done in this thread I'm not surprised.

You haven't given a single substantive answer, you've dodged questions repeatedly, cut and paste the same stuff about half a dozen times, and for several pages now rather than actually throwing anything relevant out there as a counter, you've just stuck to attacking me. 

You've lost, dude. Probably best to go ahead and actually take that exit you keep saying you're going to take

lol, I'm done with you.  Which is why I replied to someone else boss and you still doing what you do. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

lol, I'm done with you.  Which is why I replied to someone else boss. 

Yet still talking about me

(should probably sing a chorus of "I've Got You Under my Skin")

Here's the bottom line, dude. You made an incorrect statement because you're conflating arguments.

Yes, Bryce does fit the scheme we run. That doesn't make him good or mean we should keep him around for the future, but it's true.

You should really just accept that and move on because all you're doing now is making yourself look worse.

...

PS: One question. Should I go ahead and write a response about Scott Fitterer in anticipation of you trying to dodge the topic and attack me again or are you looking at a different route this time?

[electro's horse]

Mr Scot dude go touch grass you’re allowed to not have the last word it’s fine 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Mr Scot dude go touch grass you’re allowed to not have the last word it’s fine 

Can't  I'm currently surrounded by parrots

Today's actually a pretty lazy day though.

(retirement has its perks)

[mrcompletely11]

56 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yet still talking about me

(should probably sing a chorus of "I've Got You Under my Skin")

Here's the bottom line, dude. You made an incorrect statement because you're conflating arguments.

Yes, Bryce does fit the scheme we run. That doesn't make him good or mean we should keep him around for the future, but it's true.

You should really just accept that and move on because all you're doing now is making yourself look worse.

...

PS: One question. Should I go ahead and write a response about Scott Fitterer in anticipation of you trying to dodge the topic and attack me again or are you looking at a different route this time?

What in the fug is wrong with you? 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

What in the fug is wrong with you? 

Lots of things

This particular debate isn't one of them though

[frankw]

6 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

And how’s that highest paid OL holding up in pass protection? Not good

I’m not going over the investments with you your logic is so flawed. But you just repeat the same crap every post. Investments don’t equal production. Tough to have these conversations when half this board doesn’t understand half this crap

It was a bad play from Icky but the OL didn't give up a sack until late in the 4th quarter and Bryce just stood there like he was canatonic. If our 3rd year number one overall pick can't overcome one single sack against a rebuilding Saints team that should only have 2 wins this season then it isn't ever going to happen. You can login here and act like you are the only one above the fray and rational but in reality you're just boot licking for bottom of the barrel QB play because there isn't anyone associated with the Panthers that you wouldn't throw under several speeding buses in order to run cover for Bryce Young.