The Case for(or Against) Drafting/Signing a TE

[SmokinwithWilly]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I felt like he did a good job fixing the issues from the first Saints game, for example. Although I admit mid second half it did kind of feel like he was going back to old tendencies. 

I don't know how you can say he did a good job fixing issues. He doesn't even recognize issues in game. Situational awareness is one of the things he lacks. He's probably one of the least flexible coaches I've seen. We do the same thing over and over. Defending DC offense is pretty easy. Stack the box and make Bryce beat you. Either he will or he won't.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I don't know how you can say he did a good job fixing issues. He doesn't even recognize issues in game. Situational awareness is one of the things he lacks. He's probably one of the least flexible coaches I've seen. We do the same thing over and over. Defending DC offense is pretty easy. Stack the box and make Bryce beat you. Either he will or he won't.

I was referring to changes that he made from one game to the next. 

In game is another story. 

[ForJimmy]

Our TE group might be one of the worst in the league.  We need to upgrade it 100% no matter who the QB is.  

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I felt like he did a good job fixing the issues from the first Saints game, for example. Although I admit mid second half it did kind of feel like he was going back to old tendencies. 

He basically is only able to make adjustments with at least a week of hindsight. He is completely clueless on the in game adjustments. Tremendously worse than guys like Fox or Rivera who were constantly criticized for that.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Our TE group might be one of the worst in the league.  We need to upgrade it 100% no matter who the QB is.  

I somewhat suspect they view the group as "complete."

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

He basically is only able to make adjustments with at least a week of hindsight. He is completely clueless on the in game adjustments. Tremendously worse than guys like Fox or Rivera who were constantly criticized for that.

Honestly DC needs a seasoned OC to call plays while he is still learning as a HC.  I do think he has some potential as a HC but I was hoping someone like McDaniels got fired from Miami so he could come here and call the offense.  

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I somewhat suspect they view the group as "complete."

I doubt it.  JT was been a disappointment and I think they were banking on him developing.  The fact they are reliant on decent contributions from a late rounder in Evans is pretty telling.

[*FreeFua*]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I felt like he did a good job fixing the issues from the first Saints game, for example. Although I admit mid second half it did kind of feel like he was going back to old tendencies. 

Fixing the issues from the first game was more so Bryce using his legs which I really wish he’d do more often but I’m also assuming his ankle is in pretty rough shape 

We couldn’t get much going in game 1 against the Saints and it wasn’t all that different game two. 

On the first drive Bryce scrambled for 15 on 3rd down extending that drive leading to a TD

On the FG drive in 2nd Quarter Bryce extended a 4th down play completing a pass to TMac for 21 yards 

And then second half/old tendencies Canales really starts coaching scared with a lead. Which leaves the margin for error on any drive literally zero

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He basically is only able to make adjustments with at least a week of hindsight. He is completely clueless on the in game adjustments. Tremendously worse than guys like Fox or Rivera who were constantly criticized for that.

Two weeks in the case of that game... 

From what I've seen, Canales is at least capable of learning from his mistakes. That's a plus, at least. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Honestly DC needs a seasoned OC to call plays while he is still learning as a HC.  I do think he has some potential as a HC but I was hoping someone like McDaniels got fired from Miami so he could come here and call the offense.  

I don't think DC would bring in someone who is already a more successful HC and also a far, far, FAR more impressive offensive coach. He is gonna view that as a potential job threat, IMO. And that's outside the lack of established prior coaching staff relationship.

I think if you see DC give up duties, it would be to Idzik.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I doubt it.  JT was been a disappointment and I think they were banking on him developing.  The fact they are reliant on decent contributions from a late rounder in Evans is pretty telling.

I think they may not view TE as very important. We will see.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

Fixing the issues from the first game was more so Bryce using his legs which I really wish he’d do more often but I’m also assuming his ankle is in pretty rough shape 

We couldn’t get much going in game 1 against the Saints and it wasn’t all that different game two. 

On the first drive Bryce scrambled for 15 on 3rd down extending that drive leading to a TD

On the FG drive in 2nd Quarter Bryce extended a 4th down play completing a pass to TMac for 21 yards 

And then second half/old tendencies Canales really starts coaching scared with a lead. Which leaves the margin for error on any drive literally zero

He did use a more balanced approach (at least in the early part of the game) and called some of the plays that he should have been calling the first time when we were facing heavy pressure. I give him credit for that.

There are most definitely issues that need fixing though.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Two weeks in the case of that game... 

From what I've seen, Canales is at least capable of learning from his mistakes. That's a plus, at least. 

I don't think it's helpful in that it takes weeks for it to sometimes happen. The NFL isn't a league for slow learners.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I don't think it's helpful in that it takes weeks for it to sometimes happen. The NFL isn't a league for slow learners.

No, and that was an issue we hadwith Rivera. We used to joke about making a list of all of the things Rivera learned too late. 

I'm still cautiously optimistic about Canales at the moment, but we'll see.