Kurt Warner on Bryce Young

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1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Maybe it's because I played LT until some fat fug folded my knee, but I love watching footwork drills at the combine for olinemen. I call it fat man ballet. Base and balance are everything when it come to being a lineman. Everything starts there. Sure there's lateral movement, hip flex, bend, hand fighting, strength, push, etc, but without a strong base and good balance, the rest aren't happening.

Those drills are specifically designed to show you things and they stand out big time if you're watching their feet and ankles. You can tell what doesn't feel like a natural movement. I remember watching Greg Little and I was blown away at how bad his footwork was. Like unbelievably bad. To the point I thought maybe he had never practiced one of these drills before. I remember when we drafted him, I thought to myself well fug, there's a wasted pick. 

Aside from the added weight, I wonder if that's part of why Bryce didn't throw. Standing next to all the other QBs, that footwork and mechanics would stand out like a sore thumb, much more so than at a pro day. Bryce is good at some things, improvising and eluding and he does appear to have that clutch gene, but his throws get ugly when he tries to arm it instead of having that solid stead base to throw from. 

Excellent. With Bryce, as with many situations, you don’t advertise your weaknesses. You hope people don’t notice them. 

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13 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Okay, so let me correct my theory about Bryce's lack of dedication to fixing his footwork. I was doing a Bryce Young YouTube dive and came across an actually really great interview with Jon Gruden from the last Super Bowl. Well, it's so, so, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much worse than he doesn't do the work, he just fundamentally disagrees and while he does explain it to Gruden, it's pretty dismissive of any critique of his "footwork." IMO, this basically means his footwork is genuinely permanently broken because he refuses to change it.

 

Without watching it, I am gonna guess it is “well it got me this far”-ish.
I bet I will get pissed or disgusted if I watch that but I’ll try and get to it.

I always remember Reich and Tepper going at it over the mechanics/footwork. Reich supposedly told him it was an offseason project not an in season one and big Tep demanded he fix it that week.

Was shortly before Reich was fired. 

Btw I thought that after we got Bryce Frank always looked like the long suffering guy with a shrewish overbearing wife. Who was stuck. A sadder Al Bundy, 

Edited yesterday at 07:48 PM by strato

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1 minute ago, strato said:

Without watching it, I am gonna guess it is “well it got me this far”-ish.
I bet I will get pissed or disgusted if I watch that but I’ll try and get to it.

I always remember Reich and Tepper going at it over the mechanics/footwork. Reich supposedly told him it was an offseason project not an in season one and big Tep demanded he fix it that week.

Was shortly before Reich was fired. 

Watch it.

[AggieLean]

1 hour ago, strato said:

I got killed talking about Cam’s non existent footwork.  Racist! Hater! All that stuff, constantly. You could not speak that way here. I just quit. There were a lot more Cam stans than Bryce stans. For good reason. But it was overwhelming I wasn’t gonna try and argue with them, around the clock. 
 

I was coming at it from the perfectionist perspective. The idea that if he could do that he could really be in the all time great conversation. It wasn’t said to tear him down. People couldn’t deal with it. 

As good as he was, that extra would have put him up on another level. Two levels.
It is a shame that it took an injury to force him to adapt his process. 
 

 

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

It was fun while it lasted but it put so much undue stress on his shoulder and it eventually failed. 

Sad ending to a potential HOF career.

I’m was a Cam stan. He was and is still my favorite player (he hasn’t retired yet lol). I just wish he had more time. He had finally started to get his footwork and technique right, and then poof, it was over. I remember he was completing like 65/66% of his passes for a season, and it looked like he was getting it. Ready to take it to the next level. Just hate it happened so late, and his career was cut short 

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1 minute ago, AggieLean said:

 

I’m was a Cam stan. He was and is still my favorite player (he hasn’t retired yet lol). I just wish he had more time. He had finally started to get his footwork and technique right, and then poof, it was over. I remember he was completing like 65/66% of his passes for a season, and it looked like he was getting it. Ready to take it to the next level. Just hate it happened so late, and his career was cut short 

Yeah, and he continued to be very efficient in New England too. I think had he been with an Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan type, his career arc would have been so dramatically different.

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Cam could do everything they are having Fred do, pretty much. And can see over the line and run a hell of a sneak. Just saying. 

And we’d have had all our squandered picks and DJ Moore. poo. 

[AggieLean]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, and he continued to be very efficient in New England too. I think had he been with an Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan type, his career arc would have been so dramatically different.

Yep. It was always one of his biggest requests here; take the check down from time to time. CMC was a big help to him as well, and you know in New England, those receivers were YAC guys. Could take the shorter pass and make something out of nothing. 
 

But @strato, if I was one of those guys who gave you hell back then, then I apologize. While there was some racial element to some critique, just seeing your posts these past few years, I can tell you never criticized from an evil place, so I apologize

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7 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Yep. It was always one of his biggest requests here; take the check down from time to time. CMC was a big help to him as well, and you know in New England, those receivers were YAC guys. Could take the shorter pass and make something out of nothing. 
 

But @strato, if I was one of those guys who gave you hell back then, then I apologize. While there was some racial element to some critique, just seeing your posts these past few years, I can tell you never criticized from an evil place, so I apologize

Thanks a lot Aggie I appreciate that quite a bit. I suspect you were lol. Old water under the bridge. 
 

It never really gets you anywhere to claim that you aren’t racist when that comes up, nobody that is calling you one buys it.

And every one of us has biases. And that’s okay afaic, they come from personal experience. 

Edited yesterday at 08:46 PM by strato

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Can’t edit that, but I admit I have biases galore, especially against short small QBs. 
Biases are positive too. In nature. Pos/neg, they go both ways. 

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Okay, so let me correct my theory about Bryce's lack of dedication to fixing his footwork. I was doing a Bryce Young YouTube dive and came across an actually really great interview with Jon Gruden from the last Super Bowl. Well, it's so, so, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much worse than he doesn't do the work, he just fundamentally disagrees and while he does explain it to Gruden, it's pretty dismissive of any critique of his "footwork." IMO, this basically means his footwork is genuinely permanently broken because he refuses to change it.

 

I watched. Meh. He seems pretty entrenched. Knows what is best for himself.  He thinks. 

He is a good guy, me not being a fan of his QBing I don’t want to humanize him too much because I could go soft. 

As long as his play is gonna be an issue for me, he has to remain a figure on my TV screen

[Jackie Lee]

 

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7 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Kurt is correct.  One of Bryce's biggest issues is throwing behind his receivers and being late on the throw.  That is 100% true and I wish this tread had actually discussed that more.  

Average velocity on throws in the NFL is 54mph.  Estimates for Bryce are around 55-60mph.  For reference, elite arm velocity for guys like Josh Allen is 60-65mph.  

Every scouting report has said he has the NFL arm strength to make all the NFL throws.

What he does NOT have is the ability to generate power with just his arm.  This limits him in a crowded pocket or when he can't generate power with his base.  The lack of power from throwing without a proper base is a smaller issue.  The BIG problem is how this combination effects his accuracy. 

It causes him to throw late and behind his receivers.  This is why he has to play with timing and anticipation.  Numerous other QB's in the league also have this same issue.  Jared Geoff,  Mac Jones, Drew Brees are examples.

 

this is made up bullshit, no way you watch bryce float balls and throw up rainbows and come to the conclusion his velocity is 55-60 mph, theres no way in hell, sorry. 

if the average QB velocity is 55-60 Bryce is more like 40-45 if that. 

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1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

I try to like listening to that guy. 
Does he think Canales doesn’t know and didn’t address this day one? 
Remember 2.7 seconds, 123 plant throw? That was one of the first things he said. 
If you watched for this stuff year two and of course I did, being aware of Young’s issues, you saw the difference in preseason. 

Just the one game one drive vs Buffalo but it was there. You can still find that probably. And I ranted about it opening day vs NO that year, Bryce had the footwork for the few drops he made in the 1st qtr. 

I forget whether it was very end of that qtr of very beginning of the 2nd, it was gone and the old habits were in place. 
This poo isn’t new, where has he been? 

edit: and I heard him say that all the small QBs do that tippy toe stuff? Can that possibly be true? I guess it could be as I have never analyzed another shrimp’s footwork. But I am very doubtful. 
 

Edited 22 hours ago by strato

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8 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

this is made up bullshit, no way you watch bryce float balls and throw up rainbows and come to the conclusion his velocity is 55-60 mph, theres no way in hell, sorry. 

if the average QB velocity is 55-60 Bryce is more like 40-45 if that. 

I really do wish we could get a radar gun reading off of Bryce because I suspect it is a good 5-10% lower than average. 

I also bet that maybe it is much better with the proper footwork and throwing mechanics than it is with his little tippy toe poo. 

Edited 22 hours ago by strato