Kurt Warner on Bryce Young

[Montsta]

3 hours ago, Khaki Lackey said:

Man. It seems like he’s throwing less awful picks lately. I guess not. lol

It seems that way because he has games where he throws the ball 15 times and only yields 54 yards from it. Thats 3.6 yards per completion. Hard to get picked off when you are throwing the ball from the pocket to your offensive line. Not a lot of defenders to pick it off in that area typically. 

[OldhamA]

2 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

his mechanics won’t change, they simply will not.  He reverts to them anytime he thinks he has pressure or can’t see the field 

young is a symptom that is now a problem 

The Panthers, in typical Panthers style under Tepper, picked the wrong QB and gave up decent players and the future for him 

…and exacerbated it post Rivera, with keeping the old GM, then fired the old GM, picked the wrong new GM who kept the old scouts, and series of head coaches to compliment giving up the house for that wrong qb. 
 
 When it is said the ‘selecting wrong qb sets  a team back 5 years, they aren’t kidding, and that’s not considering what was given up for wrong qb    

don’t know what you want to be, just throw poo to a wall..,have it will stick.

It really is that simple 

Simply put, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig,and the path out of the pig sty is getting harder to find and here we are. 

I felt nothing yesterday… 30 years  following this franchise    yet again, a GM from the old regime, a coach on no one else’s radar and a qb that won’t be in the league in 2 to 3 years.    History repeats itself

the combination of Canales as HC And OC is a disaster.  

ask yourselves, if Canales was just the OC, would everyone including Tepper, not be calling for his head    
 

the mistakes Canales makes are egregious. Sometimes the players bail him out, yesterday, they didn’t 
 

 

I didn't want Morgan, I wanted a fresh start at GM (and didn't think he was qualified), but I can't complain about the job he's done so far.

If he actions Young's 5th year option, however, then he needs to go. 

I think, like Evero last year, fans would be calling for Canales' head when realistically he just doesn't have the players to run his scheme.

It's the ultimate team sport, but you simply cannot compete week in, week out, with a sub-par QB that can't execute an NFL playbook. There's only so long you can hide his weaknesses and catch teams off guard with wrinkles before they wise up.

[strato]

4 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Kurt Warner gets it.  I guess Kurt hasn't been seeing the cherry picked stats here on the Huddle where Bryce is apparently an elite QB. 

Again, his horrible mechanics CAN'T be fixed.  Why? Bryce is undersized and the bad mechanics results from him trying to compensate for the lack of height and arm strength.  So unless the puts on 20+ pounds and grows about 4 inches, the idea that he's going to fix his mechanics is unrealistic  Even if he could wave a magic wand and make that so, QBs at this stage in their careers rarely are successful in changing the throwing motion they have been using since youth league football.

They can theoretically be fixed.  He can operate with rebuilt mechanics in practice, in 7 on 7 and that type of thing, even in games, I have seen it.  

But when it gets to chaos time in the heat of the moment he will revert to the comfort zone of what he has done his whole life. Pretty much every time, until he conquers it. I have seen that too. And he likely will never conquer it, at this level of football. 
 

[raleigh-panther]

2 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

 

It's the ultimate team sport, but you simply cannot compete week in, week out, with a sub-par QB that can't execute an NFL playbook. There's only so long you can hide his weaknesses and catch teams off guard with wrinkles before they wise up.

Then why wait

That playbook appears to have been modified substantially for Young’s abilities 

one thing is certain, if a team that can’t run the ball,  a qb that has trouble with the middle of the field and can’t even run a sneak, the future simply isn’t bright 

find a qb in the draft.  Bring in a decent free agent.  Try 

otherwise, definition of stupidity ‘keep doing the same things over and over again and expect a different result’.  3 years of Young 

[frankw]

I appreciate Kurt Warner being blunt and honest instead of just giving lip service. Need more of this. Year 3 is over. Bryce is now a 4th year starter.

[mrcompletely11]

Was it rico or chubba that bryce tried to kill with his 4 yard high jump pass over the middle yesterday?

[strato]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

I appreciate Kurt Warner being blunt and honest instead of just giving lip service. Need more of this. Year 3 is over. Bryce is now a 4th year starter.

Yeah I admire him just putting it out there, bluntly. And he is right, absolutely. He was being kind with his “next step” characterization. As it would actually be the first step, that Young has still not taken. 

This type of insight should tell people something too… ex QBs know this stuff. They knew it 3 years ago. 

 

[electro's horse]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Was it rico or chubba that bryce tried to kill with his 4 yard high jump pass over the middle yesterday?

Chuba.

The worst throw bryce made yesterday was on a double crossing route right to left with someone in his face. He let loose a floater trying to get to the second level that hung in the air forever and somehow wasn’t intercepted.

like I get he is told where to throw the ball every down, and the left side of the field had been cleared out, but my holy god do not throw that ball. If the Bucs weren’t trotting out third and fourth stringers they was six the other way 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, electro's horse said:

Chuba.

The worst throw bryce made yesterday was on a double crossing route right to left with someone in his face. He let loose a floater trying to get to the second level that hung in the air forever and somehow wasn’t intercepted.

like I get he is told where to throw the ball every down, and the left side of the field had been cleared out, but my holy god do not throw that ball. If the Bucs weren’t trotting out third and fourth stringers they was six the other way 

The int at the end of the half was brutal the corner had all day to make that play on the ball.  Tmac has to be ready to kill bryce at this point

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The int at the end of the half was brutal the corner had all day to make that play on the ball.  Tmac has to be ready to kill bryce at this point

God that was a blimp. I watched it at a bar and didn’t seen the replay. We’re they trying to throw an out there?

[SCMunnerlyn1]

Bryce is about as good of a backup/mentor qb as you can get. Hes got it all upstairs. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is we need a starter. 

[Peon Awesome]

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

A couple more telling stats:

He's manged 273 yards when ahead all season.  This means two things, he can't muster enough offense to pull away from opponents, thus we get the "refs rigged it" nonsense all year.  He plays no better when the playbook is wide open with a lead, actually worse.

Also, Bryce needs a short field.  As evidenced yesterday, we managed one score that the defense did not gift a possession in the shadow of the Bucs' end zone.

This one is the most condemning of them all.

Not in defense of Bryce but this second chart doesn't argue the point you are trying to make. Based on this, his stats generally get worse the closer we are to the opponents endzone (lower completion percentage, less yards per attempt). The only thing better is TD:Int but that's obvious and would be true for all QBs because there are very few 50+ yard passing TDs in general, and certainly not more than the number of <50 yard TDs. Hell his best numbers are when he's at his own 20 or worse (highest qb rating, completion percentage and yards per attempt). Unless your argument is that he needs good field position because he doesn't have any 80+ yard TD passes but that's a tough bar to clear to say the least. Most people don't consider success as TD or nothing. A 35 yard pass from the 20 yard line that gets you into an opponents side of the field is universally considered successful, even though it wasn't a touchdown pass. Not saying Bryce has a bunch of those (again this is not a defense of Bryce) but you can see how the chart you shows wouldn't even illustrate that.

Just to clarify too, although you may have already known this, this isn't a chart of starting field position, just field position at the time of the play.

[beastson52]

7 hours ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

He's just not a starting NFL QB......Solid backup? Maybe

Until people accept that then this team goes nowhere.  

Kyle Shanahan and Lynch leveraged HEAVY to get Trey Lance, realized he sucked and not a starting caliber QB, cut ties, built a team.  Consistently being a competitor and thats what its suppose to look like.  Stop trying to fit a square peg into a round whole, not going to work. Cut your losses and move on.......

 

Your regarded 

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

2 hours ago, beastson52 said:

Your regarded 

So insightful