Someone's not gonna be happy

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

I would bring any of them in to replace or compete with Dalton. If they happened to also surpass our #1 overall pick and master of the big-time throw, then so be it. Thems the breaks.

That's basically the floor of all the guys I listed, IMO. Dalton replacement. Many of them would absolutely beat Bryce and a several more could. I will continue to beat this horse the rest of the 2026 offseason, but this is the big test of Morgan/Canales. If they do nothing with that QB room this offseason, I am done with them.

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

they have to draft someone as well, thats imperative

I would say sign someone and draft someone. Get options available. Carry 3 QB's next year if need be.

3 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Surely, since Young is the qb he is, a 3 year NFL starter, a qb with exceptional command of a playoff team, and many of us are just too stupid and blind to recognize, he will have no trouble mopping the floor with anyone from this list of has-beens and never-weres.

I am so flabbergasted that people still think he is actually worth investing any more time into. Three year's in. Even the Jets waved the white flag after year 3 of Zach Wilson and the Bears after year 3 of Justin Fields. poo, the Pats jettisoned Mac Jones after three years and he was a better QB after those first three years.

Hope springs eternal, I guess.

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Oh, oh. I see what you are saying. Yeah but not all of those were draft for draft replacements. Jones was a dumpster dive. The overall point I was making is that it is becoming more common to see this quick pivots as people realize their mistakes. It happens with a lot of busts historically at QB. 

IDK about "most teams" have fast, capable WR's. It's a mixed bag across the league. There are the Hopkins, Evans, etc that aren't sub-4.5 guys and are still star players.

Yeah. Find me another team in the NFL where their 2 best WRs run mid 4.5s. Speed ain't everything, but let's not act like it doesn't matter in coverage. The narrative has been that defenses creep up because Bryce can't throw over their heads. Nah, it's because our receivers are slow. Unless you want to count XL, Mingo and DJ Chark. But then that whole skill thing is thrown out the window. 

Edit: Actually the Rams don't have speed with Puka and Devante. But their skill levels are some of the best the league has seen. That's the only other team I can think of. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Navy_football

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah. Find me another team in the NFL where their 2 best WRs run mid 4.5s. Speed ain't everything, but let's not act like it doesn't matter in coverage. The narrative has been that defenses creep up because Bryce can't throw over their heads. Nah, it's because our receivers are slow. Unless you want to count XL, Mingo and DJ Chark. But then that whole skill thing is thrown out the window. 

Jake Delhomme threw it over people heads with freaking Mushin Muhammad.  It happened because Jake was an aggressive downfield passer. 

NFL history is full of non-Tyreek Hill’s who got vertical.  

 

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Edit: Actually the Rams don't have speed with Puka and Devante. But their skill levels are some of the best the league has seen. That's the only other team I can think of. 

That also the #1 offense in the NFL.  And before DeVante they were lighting folks up with Puca and Kupp. 

top of the NFL receiving books is full of 4.5 guys

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Jake Delhomme threw it over people heads with freaking Mushin Muhammad.  It happened because Jake was an aggressive downfield passer. 

NFL history is full of non-Tyreek Hill’s who got vertical.  

Right... and Bryce Young has thrown it over defenders' heads with a rookie TMac and a 2nd year Coker. Both considerably slower than Muhsin.

Speed matters. It's not always running past people straight down the field. A guy that can run routes and then blow by you is dangerous and will always need to be accounted for - usually with more than one DB. 

[strato]

32 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Surely, since Young is the qb he is, a 3 year NFL starter, a qb with exceptional command of a playoff team, and many of us are just too stupid and blind to recognize, he will have no trouble mopping the floor with anyone from this list of has-beens and never-weres.

There are a few guys on that list that are interesting to me, half have the makes bonehead plays but really talented downside.  
 

 I don’t know why because I am not a fan  but when I saw Murray I had a good feeling. If he didn’t have the no film watching rep he has I’d say bring him in.

Play backyard ball for a year or two. He can sling it and can get away from people a lot better than what we have.

There are a few others we’ll have plenty of time coming up to consider them. 

[UnluckyforSome]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

There are a few guys on that list that are interesting to me, half have the makes bonehead plays but really talented downside.  
 

 I don’t know why because I am not a fan  but when I saw Murray I had a good feeling. If he didn’t have the no film watching rep he has I’d say bring him in.

Play backyard ball for a year or two. He can sling it and can get away from people a lot better than what we have.

There are a few others we’ll have plenty of time coming up to consider them. 

Murray has talent and skill, but when I look at his game, he might as well still be the exact same qb he was at Oklahoma. I don't think he has grown, developed, blossomed, refined any skill at all over his NFL career. Maybe bad coaching, maybe bad player, probably some of both.

I would still add him to the roster in place of Dalton. Having Dalton back there is like having no one.

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

That also the #1 offense in the NFL.  And before DeVante they were lighting folks up with Puca and Kupp. 

top of the NFL receiving books is full of 4.5 guys

Cupp is another 100 skill level player. If we think TMac and Coker are on that level right now, then that's just not being honest. And the Rams have always had a blazer out there that teams had to back up for. We have XL. But I agree, Bryce needs to take more shots deep. 

[Navy_football]

7 minutes ago, strato said:

There are a few guys on that list that are interesting to me, half have the makes bonehead plays but really talented downside.  
 

 I don’t know why because I am not a fan  but when I saw Murray I had a good feeling. If he didn’t have the no film watching rep he has I’d say bring him in.

Play backyard ball for a year or two. He can sling it and can get away from people a lot better than what we have.

There are a few others we’ll have plenty of time coming up to consider them. 

Yeah Murray is a freak! Small, fast and crazy arm talent. Doubt he'd come here for peanuts though. 

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah. Find me another team in the NFL where their 2 best WRs run mid 4.5s. Speed ain't everything, but let's not act like it doesn't matter in coverage. The narrative has been that defenses creep up because Bryce can't throw over their heads. Nah, it's because our receivers are slow. Unless you want to count XL, Mingo and DJ Chark. But then that whole skill thing is thrown out the window. 

There aren't many. Here are the close and maybes.

Eagles: AJ Brown was a 4.49 guy and DeVonta Smith was supposedly a high 4.4 guy as a sophomore(he didn't run at the combine or his Pro Day, so this is going to be sketchy in general). 

Lions: Williams didn't run the 40(ACL injury, although he is likely a sub 4.5 guy on the eye test) and St. Brown was a 4.51 guy.

Seahawks: Smith-Njigba was a 4.5-4.55 guy(didn't run at the combine, numbers from stopwatches at pro day) and Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62.

Rams: Adams was a 4.56 and Nacua was a 4.57.

49ers: Jennings was a 4.72 and Bourne was a 4.68.

Cardinals: Wilson was a 4.62 and Harrison Jr. is a complete question. The last recorded 40 time was in HS at 4.6. Likely he is faster than that but it's unknown how much.

 

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Murray has talent and skill, but when I look at his game, he might as well still be the exact same qb he was at Oklahoma. I don't think he has grown, developed, blossomed, refined any skill at all over his NFL career. Maybe bad coaching, maybe bad player, probably some of both.

I would still add him to the roster in place of Dalton. Having Dalton back there is like having no one.

I think Murray will not be short of opportunities if he gets released. If Justin Fields had so many suitors after how bad he was, Murray will get plenty. I think he is likely to go for a price that doesn't make a lot of sense unless we deem him THE QB, which I don't think I would be interested in. I'd even be wary to have him on a Geno Smith/Baker Mayfield/Sam Darnold level "dollar store" franchise QB price tag/length.

[strato]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah Murray is a freak! Small, fast and crazy arm talent. Doubt he'd come here for peanuts though. 

I remember the first time he played vs the Panthers. When I saw him I knew we were still winning the game but thought in a couple of years he will be a problem. Just so quick on his feet and the arm… you won’t need to worry about Hail Mary throws. 
 

 

 

[ColumbusCounty]

If I'm Morgan, I'd be trying to bring in Winston. 

[CRA]

38 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Right... and Bryce Young has thrown it over defenders' heads with a rookie TMac and a 2nd year Coker. Both considerably slower than Muhsin.

Speed matters. It's not always running past people straight down the field. A guy that can run routes and then blow by you is dangerous and will always need to be accounted for - usually with more than one DB. 

Bryce does it schemed up in very select areas of the field.  Which in no way shape or form has anything to do with a naturally aggressive downfield thrower 

Moose wasn’t considerable faster.  His top end speed was always questioned and was a possession WR….with same type fluff day 40 as Tmac.  Are we now trying to act like Mushin was a blazer in the name of defending Bryce?