REPORT: Cade Mays will hit the free-agent market

[frankw]

Sounds like the same kind of shoe shining and letting off the hook that folks did for Scott Fitterer. Been there done that.

We won't get the lucky breaks we did last year with this years upcoming schedule.

This years draft needs to be a homerun. Don't get cute. Good luck.

[ProcessBlue2]

I can’t remember a GM panthers fans actually liked

[frankw]

Just now, ProcessBlue2 said:

I can’t remember a GM panthers fans actually liked

People loved Dave Gettleman.

Man even had his own catchphrase.

[ProcessBlue2]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

People loved Dave Gettleman.

Man even had his own catchphrase.

lol people liked him until he wore those shorts to training camp

[frankw]

Also personally had numerous contentious debates here about Fitterer from people who liked him a lot which largely resulted in a response of some variation of "you're a fan you think you know better?"

We see how that worked out.

Edited 12 hours ago by frankw

[TheSpecialJuan]

24 minutes ago, frankw said:

People loved Dave Gettleman.

Man even had his own catchphrase.

I loved his press conferences he was terrific to listen to 

[SmokinwithWilly]

47 minutes ago, frankw said:

People loved Dave Gettleman.

Man even had his own catchphrase.

I loved his approach to cap he'll Hurney left us with. He also called time on a couple guys who were aging out of their contract wants.  That was the good. 

The rest, he was just an ass and nobody wanted to see shorts hiked up that high on him ever. They're shorts, not a bra. Thank God one of the twins didn't fall out for the world to see. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, strato said:

Seriously you guys need to wake up and accept some basic stuff about the 2024 draft. 
We had new GM and new HC that were given a mandate. Maximum emphasis must be placed on propping the disaster that was Bryce Young coming off that rookie season. You know, the one got a mostly new coaching staff brought in. 
 

They were not really looking to trust a rookie C to make those calls and at the same time desperately wanted a pass catching RB to bail his scrawny ass out of trouble, with his little outlet throws. His specialty. 
Brooks was supposed to be ready for camp. 
 

However it worked out, wasn’t what had they in mind. It ended up worst case. Oops. But that’s what they had in mind. 

I get it but it was still the wrong approach. Need a pass catching back, get one in FA. They're out there. Fill the holes that got you to a 2-15 record with starting caliber draft picks. Just about everything that has been done over the past 3 years has been to prop up Bryce and he still barely got to 3k yards. Part of why I'm still not sold on Dan. Just some really questionable at best team building strategies. The draft results this year were better, but overall, at the end of the season, I don't know that the team is really that much better from when he started. We were a 6 win team that got lucky GB couldn't score on 6 trips into the RZ and the Jets were a train wreck. 16 and 13 point offensive outputs aren't going to usually result in wins. 

[strato]

41 minutes ago, frankw said:

Sounds like the same kind of shoe shining and letting off the hook that folks did for Scott Fitterer. Been there done that.

We won't get the lucky breaks we did last year with this years upcoming schedule.

This years draft needs to be a homerun. Don't get cute. Good luck.

Why does analyzing the motivations and thought process of a failed draft, and coming up with a viewpoint that is different from yours, or anyone’s, have to equal shoe shining? There is a box and it is okay to venture outside of it. Not a shoebox lol. A thinking outside the box

 And the box in this case is a prejudice against Fitterer and his subordinates. For one thing. Also an attitude that it was business as usual for the 2024 draft, and it really wasn’t some damned all hands on deck Chinese fire drill trying to cover Tepper’s butt. Fail at your peril. 
It is hard for me to understand that being an unrealistic scenario. And yeah I want Morgan to succeed but it isn’t a blank check. Let him do something like trade the 2027 1st round pick for a lightweight edge rusher… see what you hear out of me about that. 

[strato]

13 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I get it but it was still the wrong approach. Need a pass catching back, get one in FA. They're out there. Fill the holes that got you to a 2-15 record with starting caliber draft picks. Just about everything that has been done over the past 3 years has been to prop up Bryce and he still barely got to 3k yards. Part of why I'm still not sold on Dan. Just some really questionable at best team building strategies. The draft results this year were better, but overall, at the end of the season, I don't know that the team is really that much better from when he started. We were a 6 win team that got lucky GB couldn't score on 6 trips into the RZ and the Jets were a train wreck. 16 and 13 point offensive outputs aren't going to usually result in wins. 

 See I am not necessarily trying to defend it as much as to understand what led to it. I accept that people new in jobs will make mistakes. 
Maybe FA was better, I’d need to go and look at that. It was kind of a panic situation where they had to figure it out quick. They did the OL in FA for whatever reason. Not my favorite approach at all but I understand why they did it. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

45 minutes ago, strato said:

 See I am not necessarily trying to defend it as much as to understand what led to it. I accept that people new in jobs will make mistakes. 
Maybe FA was better, I’d need to go and look at that. It was kind of a panic situation where they had to figure it out quick. They did the OL in FA for whatever reason. Not my favorite approach at all but I understand why they did it. 

If I remember correctly, we thought Jerry Jones was going to take Brooks so we traded up to take him. I wanted Frazier, no secret there, but we also needed an edge rusher, LB, safety, CB, pretty much everything other than DB and Horn. That's why I said we could have addressed a pass catching RB in FA if that's what it was thought Bryce needed to be successful. Even if it was a 1 year contract, there's always another available the next year. Rico is a perfect example. We just had too many long term holes to fill, especially on defense, to use that pick on an injured RB.

Like I said, I get the logic of why and the likely mandate from Tepper, which is an entirely different problem with an owner dictating how a GM needs to build the team, and then is that GM really qualified or just a front guy. But when you look at the rest of the team, even if Brooks was 100%, we had just too many damn holes and we had already spent a chunk of our FA cap on Hunt and Lewis,and a 1st on XL. At some point Bryce has to elevate the players around him if he's going to be the guy. 

[frankw]

7 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If I remember correctly, we thought Jerry Jones was going to take Brooks so we traded up to take him. I wanted Frazier, no secret there, but we also needed an edge rusher, LB, safety, CB, pretty much everything other than DB and Horn. That's why I said we could have addressed a pass catching RB in FA if that's what it was thought Bryce needed to be successful. Even if it was a 1 year contract, there's always another available the next year. Rico is a perfect example. We just had too many long term holes to fill, especially on defense, to use that pick on an injured RB.

Like I said, I get the logic of why and the likely mandate from Tepper, which is an entirely different problem with an owner dictating how a GM needs to build the team, and then is that GM really qualified or just a front guy. But when you look at the rest of the team, even if Brooks was 100%, we had just too many damn holes and we had already spent a chunk of our FA cap on Hunt and Lewis,and a 1st on XL. At some point Bryce has to elevate the players around him if he's going to be the guy. 

Oh man I almost forgot about the Cowboys angle. They were going to take him and we swooped in and got them good (lol). Same rationale was made when we drafted TMJ except we stole him from the Saints.

Epic cringe.

[WhoKnows]

11 hours ago, strato said:

Seriously you guys need to wake up and accept some basic stuff about the 2024 draft. 
We had new GM and new HC that were given a mandate. Maximum emphasis must be placed on propping the disaster that was Bryce Young coming off that rookie season. You know, the one got a mostly new coaching staff brought in. 
 

They were not really looking to trust a rookie C to make those calls and at the same time desperately wanted a pass catching RB to bail his scrawny ass out of trouble, with his little outlet throws. His specialty. 
Brooks was supposed to be ready for camp. 
 

However it worked out, wasn’t what had they in mind. It ended up worst case. Oops. But that’s what they had in mind. 

We also had a GM who was the right hand of the former GM (Hurney 2.0 was the same) that was allergic to drafting IOL and OL in general. Brooks was a stupid pick for a couple of reasons. Better players at more needed positions and his injury putting him at barely contributing in 2024 when the 2025 RB class was stacked.

Having a stud C for Bryce’s career was far more important than reaching for a RB who probably was a 3rd/4th rounder in 2025 due to the injury risk.

[LinvilleGorge]

11 hours ago, frankw said:

People loved Dave Gettleman.

Man even had his own catchphrase.

It wore off very quickly for most of us. We loved how well his bargain basement free agents worked to plug holes to get us to a 15-1 Super Bowl run but as soon as he pulled that bullshit with Norman the honeymoon ended quite abruptly.