Panthers HC Dave Canales hints at adding more weapons for QB Bryce Young

[MHS831]

XL should feel like crap.  Anyone with his skills should be successful by now.  Instead, we need 3 quality WRs that other teams fear.  If not, TMac gets doubled.  Coker?  does not really run the entire route tree.  We need 3...

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

If the Oregon safety is there we shouldn’t hesitate to take him. That Toledo safety is tempting too.

Dont know much about the Toledo dude but grabbing a starter either at 19 or the 2nd has to be a priority.  I wonder what they truly think of Ransom, can he develop or too limited

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

XL should feel like crap.  Anyone with his skills should be successful by now.  Instead, we need 3 quality WRs that other teams fear.  If not, TMac gets doubled.  Coker?  does not really run the entire route tree.  We need 3...

But that doesnt mean you keep spending prime capital trying to do so

[strato]

45 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Canales said just yesterday that they are adjusting the offense to fit bryce so it appears they are caving to the teppers or whatever.  So it seems they are doing everything they can to load up the offense for him.  I fully expect another rb to be drafted at some point as well

Regardless, the first priority should be to protect him because we have seen what happens if they don’t. He gets a free pass.  
 

People telling me how we need weapons, I am not saying don’t get any weapons. I am saying enough with the 1st round weapons. 
 

If the QB is good and is protected, he should elevate a later round WR. The coaching staff should be able to put him in advantageous positions.
 

And I mean how many targets are we talking about anyway? To spend a 1st round pick on a player we use on less than half the plays, or a player who will be an every down contributor? 
 

Take a guy guy later.  

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[CPF4LIFE]

19 hours ago, Basbear said:

Cam had the best IOL in NFL for nearly three years - White buffalo, Kalil, Turner

He had Jstew and Dwill

He had Smitty, late career was still a problem

He had the best or top 3 TE in Olsen for much of his career.

He had CMC

I mean, Cam had more than zero like many huddlers claim. 

He had a couple more one year wonder types like SHock, Toldozer, Gross, Wharton, Lafell, barn, Benj, funch, and a top ten D for most times...

Too bad the tackles offset all that

Edited 1 hour ago by CPF4LIFE

[PanthersNCSU]

Kaye said it in a roundabout way, but I think that having all of our offensive decision makers being former WR coaches hurts us here as well. 

XL - we can fix him!

Tet - too good to pass up!, but, also good pick

KC - hey we need that guy too to complete things!

All the while, the most important and 2nd most important part of the offense (QB and OL) will get ignored. We have an aging OT, one who may never start again, and one on a one year deal. We have a pair of aging and EXPENSIVE OGs. And currently, no future at C. 

They're probably thinking Round 3+ on some of these guys, but ehhh dicey game to be playing for anything other than depth. 

[TD alt]

10 hours ago, csx said:

Exactly but we have nothing but young cheap receivers. We dont have young cheap tackles or defensive lineman. You made a great point but not the one you expected to.

 

Not really. It all depends upon perspective. You can draft quality OTs high every year. They have one of the lowest bust rates by position. DTs, less so, but good ones still come along at a regular clip. With WRs, it's simply best to draft one in the first round if you want a legit play maker. Moreover, WR is going to set you back more than OT or DT at really all statuses, meaning JAG receivers are going to make more than JAG OTs and DTs, and elite receivers will make substantially more than elite OTs or DTs.

I would also argue that it's much harder to find a franchise level OT or DT that can have an altering impact upon the game. So, if you don't believe they can, you may as well wait for day 2 or 3. That's why sticking to your board is probably the wisest thing to do. If you're not committed that the value is there, then what are you doing?

Lastly, I don't think you should necessarily draft in a vacuum, but you must look at each team from year to year. People want to make them the same, but they're different. You have to start over every year and identify where the strengths and weaknesses are. You can't say, "Well we drafted [so and so] last year or two years ago, so we'll just draft this this year." That's not realistic and it can be highly counterproductive, especially in light of the reason that you should be trying to use FA to set up the draft.

[TD alt]

5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If so then thats a strange way to roster build

Roster building is a yearly thing.what you're trying to do is get impactful players every year, not so-so players or busts just because you need a position. That's a recipe for failure, and in a way it just discounts what you're trying to do in FA (which is also roster building).

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[TD alt]

5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You want to spend a top 20 pick for a wr3?   And pick a wr in the first for a 3rd straight year?  Again its a wonky way to roster build which means you have to overpay for pass rushers and positions like guard.

Paying for pass rushers is what it is. Pass rushers have a higher bust rate than many other positions in the first round. Moreover, drafting so-so players because they're what you need is simply nonsensical. Stick to the board!

[TD alt]

4 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Receiver's cant catch if the qb is either on his back or running for his life. Protecting the qb is one of the most important jobs a GM has.

That's why we drafted an LT, paid for starting level  OGs and depth, and also got what most are calling an excellent deal on a starting caliber LT this year. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

But that doesnt mean you keep spending prime capital trying to do so

IN the past, 2 have been enough in carolina==with a sure-handed slot.

[strato]

24 minutes ago, TD alt said:

That's why we drafted an LT, paid for starting level  OGs and depth, and also got what most are calling an excellent deal on a starting caliber LT this year. 

 

the job isn’t finished.  We are paper thin on OL and the cupboard is bare for the future, as well. It screams for a quality T in the draft. If the opportunity is there, passing on one in favor of a pass catcher would be a mistake.  IMO. 

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, strato said:

 

the job isn’t finished.  We are paper thin on OL and the cupboard is bare for the future, as well. It screams for a quality T in the draft. If the opportunity is there, passing on one in favor of a pass catcher would be a mistake.  IMO. 

yep, and how many combinations of the OL did we have last year?  Our free agents are decent, but they could digress in this offense.