An Offensive Tackle for the Long Term, but....

[csx]

This whole "what if WR is the best player available" has quickly  changed in to a decree that it will be and acting as if you need to convince fans in order to make it happen. 

Just say you want a WR. This isnt  logical anymore.

[TD alt]

22 minutes ago, csx said:

This whole "what if WR is the best player available" has quickly  changed in to a decree that it will be and acting as if you need to convince fans in order to make it happen. 

Just say you want a WR. This isnt  logical anymore.

No, I have been consistent. Take the BPA. You don't reach down over a position to take a lower graded player out of a sense of need, or some decidedly arbitrary notion that you can't draft a position three times in a row. That's why I have debated WR. Don't reach down! That reeks of desperation which doesn't lead to the desired results.

No one knows how the draft will fall, so all we have to deal with is "ifs."

I've consistently said that you follow your board. It's that simple. If your BPA is OT, take him. If it's safety, take him. If it's LB, take him. If it's EDGE, take him. If it's WR, take him. It's that simple.

 

Edited April 11 by TD alt

[mrcompletely11]

18 minutes ago, csx said:

This whole "what if WR is the best player available" has quickly  changed in to a decree that it will be and acting as if you need to convince fans in order to make it happen. 

Just say you want a WR. This isnt  logical anymore.

The simple "BPA drafting" is a complete myth.  If you believe it then it says you dont look at the positional value, dont look at draft depth and dont look at roster make up.  There is no way on Gods green earth that at pick 19 the 5th/6th wr is going to be the BPA.   Thats simply moronic to think.  If we go that route I hope the FO doesnt try the old "piss on my leg and tell me its raining" explanation.  Simply say its imperative we evaluate bryce and giving him another weapon helps us in that process.

 

If that happens and I am EE I would be losing my mind if we pass on a starting safety or Dtackle depth

[TD alt]

And, for the record, I would love to get Monroe Freeling. He's a fellow Bulldog, teachable and will be an excellent choice in my opinion. 

[TD alt]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The simple "BPA drafting" is a complete myth.  If you believe it then it says you dont look at the positional value, dont look at draft depth and dont look at roster make up.  There is no way on Gods green earth that at pick 19 the 5th/6th wr is going to be the BPA.   Thats simply moronic to think.  If we go that route I hope the FO doesnt try the old "piss on my leg and tell me its raining" explanation.  Simply say its imperative we evaluate bryce and giving him another weapon helps us in that process.

 

If that happens and I am EE I would be losing my mind if we pass on a starting safety or Dtackle depth

It is not; I don't care how many times you say it. You obviously don't believe a word that Dan Morgan says. But if it makes you comfortable to believe it's a myth, then believe on!

[TD alt]

And BPA is not even something magical, but y'all do y'all.

[TD alt]

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The simple "BPA drafting" is a complete myth.  If you believe it then it says you dont look at the positional value, dont look at draft depth and dont look at roster make up.  There is no way on Gods green earth that at pick 19 the 5th/6th wr is going to be the BPA.   Thats simply moronic to think.  If we go that route I hope the FO doesnt try the old "piss on my leg and tell me its raining" explanation.  Simply say its imperative we evaluate bryce and giving him another weapon helps us in that process.

 

If that happens and I am EE I would be losing my mind if we pass on a starting safety or Dtackle depth

Honestly, you don't listen to a word I've said either. A board, WHERE THE BPA comes from, IS GOING TO HAVE POSITIONAL VALUE BUILT IN! Damn, man!

[frankw]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The simple "BPA drafting" is a complete myth.  If you believe it then it says you dont look at the positional value, dont look at draft depth and dont look at roster make up.  There is no way on Gods green earth that at pick 19 the 5th/6th wr is going to be the BPA.   Thats simply moronic to think.  If we go that route I hope the FO doesnt try the old "piss on my leg and tell me its raining" explanation.  Simply say its imperative we evaluate bryce and giving him another weapon helps us in that process.

 

If that happens and I am EE I would be losing my mind if we pass on a starting safety or Dtackle depth

We don't need another first round WR to evaluate Bryce Young. You could give him a young Jerry Rice Randy Moss and Justin Jefferson and he would still struggle to lead the group to a top 20 passing offense because he simply cannot utilize the entire field consistently.

All we're going to end up with by drafting another first round wide receiver is a disgruntled WR room. Because one there are not that many touches to go around and two the touches that will be available maybe half of them will result in good to great ball placement. And the bulk of them will be thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage.

If the FO goes WR at 19 all involved might as well go ahead and start looking at other job opportunities down the line.

[Swaggasaurus]

Yeah man, idk. I’m not super big on looking at the position group overall and damning the group. I’ll do the same with less words for WR. I think Proctor is the ultimate fit because he could be your future left or right tackle or left or right guard. Guys a starter, how much Zavala, Christensen, Curhan, and Corbett did we see last year again? Mauigoa will not be there when we pick, but you take him for the same reason you take Proctor minus maybe the LT. Freeling *could* be an upgrade at LT for the future. You don’t take Miller or Iheanahor because the position flexibility isn’t there, likely RT only guys. Those Utah guys are light in the ass, don’t want.

Now I do WR. All extremely unproductive when compared to previous Round 1 WR.

Tate- Gone

Lemon- Complete player, not a burner, would take at 19

Tyson- Made of glass, Colorado washout 

Cooper- Not the best hands. Like 300 of his yards were lucky ass stumble blooper looking poo. Bernard gives you similar but better in the 2nd.

KC- Slaps then catches the ball. Lightning fast for about 20 yards. Good return man. poo QBs probably more to unlock. Would take at 19 if Proctor, Freeling, Lemon were gone.

Washington guy- Lumbers, the smoothness Canales hyped for TMac, not there with him. We need a different style player.

 

 

[TD alt]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

We don't need another first round WR to evaluate Bryce Young. You could give him a young Jerry Rice Randy Moss and Justin Jefferson and he would still struggle to lead the group to a top 20 passing offense because he simply cannot utilize the entire field consistently.

All we're going to end up with by drafting another first round wide receiver is a disgruntled WR room. Because one there are not that many touches to go around and two the touches that will be available maybe half of them will result in good to great ball placement. And the bulk of them will be thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage.

If the FO goes WR at 19 all involved might as well go ahead and start looking at other job opportunities down the line.

First, apologies @MHS831, I know you began this about tackles, and it was good. But...

Frank, your post is just another Bryce sucks post. You obviously believe, like your buddy, that if we draft a WR it's all about evaluating Bryce Young or coddling Bryce Young. In short, it would be about improving the damned team.

If anything, if Bryce is as destined to fail (or is already a failure right now... irredeemable), then another playmaker at WR would just seal the envelope and send him on his way. In my world, that's a good thing. 

If some of you think that Bryce is a lame duck, then why wouldn't you want to set the offense up for the next QB to come in and be dropped into the offense to have success? Or, maybe you think it's all a moot point anyway because Tepper sucks, Dan Morgan sucks, Canales sucks, Ejiro sucks, Brandt Tilis sucks---everybidy sucks! If that's the case, then why does anyone care who or what we draft? Obviously some of you have all the answers and can run a gotdamn franchise better than the FO does now.

[frankw]

6 minutes ago, TD alt said:

First, apologies @MHS831, I know you began this about tackles, and it was good. But...

Frank, your post is just another Bryce sucks post. You obviously believe, like your buddy, that if we draft a WR it's all about evaluating Bryce Young or coddling Bryce Young. In short, it would be about improving the damned team.

If anything, if Bryce is as destined to fail (or is already a failure right now... irredeemable), then another playmaker at WR would just seal the envelope and send him on his way. In my world, that's a good thing. 

If some of you think that Bryce is a lame duck, then why wouldn't you want to set the offense up for the next QB to come in and be dropped into the offense to have success? Or, maybe you think it's all a moot point anyway because Tepper sucks, Dan Morgan sucks, Canales sucks, Ejiro sucks, Brandt Tilis sucks---everybidy sucks! If that's the case, then why does anyone care who or what we draft? Obviously some of you have all the answers and can run a gotdamn franchise better than the FO does now.

Brother you've been WR driven for going on almost two decades now. 

No need for us to discuss further.

[frankw]

The Panthers 1st pick should be about maximum value and immediate impact. That would be either S LB OT or DL. We also have a looming catastrophe at C if anyone goes down to injury. Legitimately this should be talked about more idk how some of you have completely erased the sight of Matt Paradis and Pat Elflein from your memory banks.

There's no reason we cannot come out of this draft addressing virtually all of the above in some capacity. That is how Morgan and Tillis will earn their salary.

[TD alt]

The Panthers should draft BPA, period!

[Swaggasaurus]

MHS has posted this same thing with different words in about 3 threads now. It’s great content and it’s largely indisputable. But you can do this same style write up for every position in the 2026 class. This is just a fancy way of showing an anti OT hard on.