Where panthers draft ranked against Big Boards in 2023

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Problem is he had two good games against the Rams and people forget that the secondary was absolutely terrible hence all the offseason signings at DB. We have a 1st place schedule so we’ll find out. I would be very disappointed in an extension as a good OL and WR crew (if Brazzell works out) is going to be underperforming with Young.

This is my problem that I tried to point out above.

 

Bryces good game was:  21-40 260 yards 1 td 1 int  50% completion in the playoffs at home

 

This is what folks are saying a good game is.  Well I guess for him that is which is just not nearly good enough

[strato]

I’ll give him points for his playoff outing. At least he showed up and did some good things in a pressure situation. If he could play to that level every week my opinion of him would be a whole lot better, I’ll say that. Big if though. 

 It sure earned him a ton of points with lot of people to the point that is all they need. Crown him. To them it is a given that he will fix his regular season yo yo pattern. Maybe they are still excusing him because we don’t have 10 pro bowl players around him. Yet. 
 

And yes, look at what the Rams did about their secondary when FA started. Reminds me of the Carolina Reaper stuff where the coaches get fired for losing to him. 

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[electro's horse]

14 minutes ago, strato said:

 

And yes, look at what the Rams did about their secondary when FA started. Reminds me of the Carolina Reaper stuff where the coaches get fired for losing to him. 

It wasn’t the secondary so much as it was the linebackers. Bryce’s best games came against teams with bad/injured linebacking corps. The falcons were starting people off the street in Atlanta.

i don’t know the name of the linebacker Bryce juked into the negative zone during the playoff game but i don’t think he deserves a name, tbh  that was pathetic  

Now I wish I could explain to you the moves the rams made to address these issues but their draft especially is beyond the understanding of a simple fan like myself. Maybe the missing piece really was a qb who was benched during his final year at Alabama. 

[strato]

Without looking it up the Rams made a trade and they signed a FA. It was almost Morgan like in the way they attacked it. Okay I looked it up - They imported KC’s CBs, one in FA. The trade with KC included their original 1st round pick. That is probably more aggressive than Morgan even. 
 

LBs may be bad but the plays I remember from the first meeting, it wasn’t LBs that were the problem. And I guess I am saying the proof is in the pudding, they revamped their secondary. 
 

The Simpson thing is kind of irrelevant. But the criticism there is they were one player away type of stuff. In fact they put up points on Seattle just fine, it was stopping them that was the issue. They made big upgrades towards tightening up their defense. You can argue the Rams’ approach to that 13th or 12th pick with Ram fans all day. 

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[CanadianCat]

I hope BY balls out this year... just to piss half of you guys off. 

[strato]

31 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

I hope BY balls out this year... just to piss half of you guys off. 

If he balls out, like a big boy QB I wouldn’t be pissed off. He balled out last year. A few times.  It will take a lot more times than what he did to get me there though. 
 

Where I’ll be pissed off is if he has a 50/50 year and that’s considered good enough. 

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[CanadianCat]

2 hours ago, strato said:

If he balls out, like a big boy QB I wouldn’t be pissed off. He balled out last year. A few times.  It will take a lot more times than what he did to get me there though. 
 

Where I’ll be pissed off is if he has a 50/50 year and that’s considered good enough. 

Well I think the hard truth is probably this.

BY is not a top 10 QB. A realistic hope is that he can become a 10-20 range QB. 

A 10-20 range QB that is <25 years old is going to get a top of the market contract.

That is what will happen - and likely the smart choice. 

 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Well I think the hard truth is probably this.

BY is not a top 10 QB. A realistic hope is that he can become a 10-20 range QB. 

A 10-20 range QB that is <25 years old is going to get a top of the market contract.

That is what will happen - and likely the smart choice. 

 

Smart choice?   Please explain 

[strato]

No kidding. It is wise and appropriate to pay the 20th best qb top of the market? 
Sorry but the hell it is. 

[CanadianCat]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Smart choice?   Please explain 

What is the alternative?

- BY, will not play for less then his perceived contract (just like Cam Newton did). So you pay him top of market as befitting a 1st round, Heisman winning, playing birthing QB would get. Or you cut him.

- Then we are forced to either sign a stop gap QB / previously failed QB and try to fix him or you spend a 1st round pick and draft a guy, basically resetting the team. 

The reality is that we all want a top 5 QB. The problem is there are only 5 of those guys in the world and drafting, even #1 overall doesn't guarantee that. 

The other problem is the NFL market. Young QB get paid. Even an average, young QB gets top of market deals. I know a lot of people here think we could sign him to an 'average QB contract' but thats not reality. Didnt happen with Cam wont happen with BY. 

So we could let this season flush out and he is again a middling QB. But then we cut and restart or accept it is what it is (including compensation) and build a team around what we have. 

My money is on the latter. 

[NCBlu]

I was looking at some draft grades of this yr(Panthers earned there B+) and I dint think i trust draft grades anymore.

Every single team on a lot of the shows got ether an A or like a B- at worst it's almost like hey you drafted SOME players here's a B to start with

Hell everyone was killing the Rams for the QB at #13  they still got Bs

[strato]

40 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

What is the alternative?

- BY, will not play for less then his perceived contract (just like Cam Newton did). So you pay him top of market as befitting a 1st round, Heisman winning, playing birthing QB would get. Or you cut him.

 

The reality is that we all want a top 5 QB.

Here is where I think you are off. WTF does what he did in college or where he was drafted have anything to do with how he plays 4 years into the league? Now, where he was drafted Does keep him on the team but it should have nothing to do with his next contract. Ancient history. 
And he was a very up and down 8-9 including playoffs. Mostly down to be honest, by top half of the league standards. You don’t give that top of the market. 
 

It would be much different if the team put nothing around him, and he carried them to 8-9 but that is so not the case. He is 1 of 11 at best. 

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[NCBlu]

33 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

What is the alternative?

- BY, will not play for less then his perceived contract (just like Cam Newton did). So you pay him top of market as befitting a 1st round, Heisman winning, playing birthing QB would get. Or you cut him.

- Then we are forced to either sign a stop gap QB / previously failed QB and try to fix him or you spend a 1st round pick and draft a guy, basically resetting the team. 

The reality is that we all want a top 5 QB. The problem is there are only 5 of those guys in the world and drafting, even #1 overall doesn't guarantee that. 

The other problem is the NFL market. Young QB get paid. Even an average, young QB gets top of market deals. I know a lot of people here think we could sign him to an 'average QB contract' but thats not reality. Didnt happen with Cam wont happen with BY. 

So we could let this season flush out and he is again a middling QB. But then we cut and restart or accept it is what it is (including compensation) and build a team around what we have. 

My money is on the latter. 

Cam earned his money, Young earned the bench so far, you don't just give every QB top money ...

Plenty of 1st rnd QBs not get a big contract even 1st overall picks

Don't keep digging a hole deeper cut bait and change course, there have been better QBs drafted since Young's draft..

[strato]

22 minutes ago, NCBlu said:

I was looking at some draft grades of this yr(Panthers earned there B+) and I dint think i trust draft grades anymore.

Every single team on a lot of the shows got ether an A or like a B- at worst it's almost like hey you drafted SOME players here's a B to start with

Hell everyone was killing the Rams for the QB at #13  they still got Bs

Look at the grades for 2023 lol. I think as a fan you make your own grade and the week after a draft, all you can do is go by if you think they did logical stuff and made good decisions. 

You have to know that even the best make many wrong choices on college players and how they will project. And accept it. 

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