Do we HAVE to take Newton?

[MHS831]

Overgeneralizations and inaccuracies abound in this post.

Because some very athletic players rely on their athletiic talent more than their hard work and effort, then because Cam is very athletic he will do exactly he same.

Lets ignore that the facts totally negate this. Ignore that Auburn coaches said that when he came there from Binn, he was the guy pushing the receivers to go out and work out during the summer. He was the first one in practice, last one out and often got other players to work with him after practice. Ignore that he has hired a personal ccoach to work with him every day to improve his footwork, timing and other areas that he knows are an issue making the transition to the NFL.

So because Atlanta bailed on Brett Favre too soon and failed to develop Vick who until he went to prison admitted he took things for granted and didn't work hard, somehow that dooms Cam Newton to the same.

Lets ignore that Brett Favre and Cam Newton have little to nothing in common instead drawing comparisons to Ben Roethlisberger by the coach who has worked with them both. But we can't use that since Ben took the Steelers to a Super Bowl his rookie year with a great defense and solid running game much like the Panthers will have. (No I don't think we wil even make the playoffs but we wouldn't want to use a positive example). And lets ignore that Atlanta did little to develop Vick either which Philly has shown wasn't that hard to do.

We can't wait for a guy like Newton to develop.

Lets ignore that if we don't pick a guy this year we are already putting off the decision to 2012. And if that guy as a rookie needs a year to develop minimally, we are talking 2013. So lets not pick Newton because he might take 2 years to develop which would put up back to 2013 before he is starting quality. Ignore that we might not get a high draft pick next year and that a better Qb might not be available. One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

But lets ignore logic here...............

And you are the source of logic? All we have are generalizations here because the idea is to predict the future. Understanding that is logical.

[MHS831]

Atlanta didn't get rid of Vick because of his performance it was because he killed dogs and was going to prison for 2 or more years. People act like Vick was garbage in Atlanta but he was a three time pro bowler and a baller in Atlanta.

In 2003 there was a reason they went 2-10 without him when he got hurt but 3-1 when he played. In 2004 the went from 5-11 to 10-6 ONLY bc Mike Vick was healthy.

So if Cam stinks like Vick did in Atlanta and therefore he is making pro bowls and taking us to the playoffs while he is still "figuring it out" I say hell yeah we take that guy. It isn't even close.

Just have to hope he doen't have a dog fighting kennel. :p

Point is this: If you want to take a kid who is a great athlete and wait through a contract for him to mature, then you are hypocritical because you gave Clausen 5 games or so. I just don't see the patience here that Cam will need-unless you are talking double standard. If you are so certain that Clausen is a bust, then you would also have cut Favre. Vick's first year was not good -look at his stats. He would have been gone by the standards of the Cam lovers here. Ryan, a cerebral qb, was effective not because his rep was established with his arm or legs, but with his brain. It is how he succeeded and why the Falcons will keep this QB. This isn't hard, people. Your entire perspective is based on a false sense of QB expertise, hype, and a blinded view of an overrated player. If you want to analyze talent, be objective about it.

Not directed at you Teeray. Just my thoughts when I opened this.

[panthers55]

And you are the source of logic? All we have are generalizations here because the idea is to predict the future. Understanding that is logical.

But your underlying assumptions are unproven and faulty. Your proclamations that because Newton is athletic he will be lazy and won't work hard is counter to what everyone else is saying. Your belief that he is stupid and can't pick up an NFL offfense is directly counter to what a number of guys who are working wih him or have worked with him directly have stated.

The idea is to make logical assumptions about what we don't know based on the facts about what we do know.

Conversely you are speculating and making assumptions which are outright false or heavy exaggerated, and then making what you believe to be logical assumptions from there. The problem is that you can't make accurate logical conclusions from faulty assumptions. In other words, garbage in means garbage out.

[Marguide]

If you are so certain that Clausen is a bust, then you would also have cut Favre.

Something from Wikipedia on Favre's first year:

"The next week's game against the Pittsburgh Steelers began the longest consecutive starts streak for a quarterback in NFL history. The game ended in a 17–3 victory and his passer rating was 144.6. During the season, Favre helped put together a six-game winning streak for the Packers, the longest winning streak for the club since 1965. They ended 9–7 that season, missing the playoffs on their last game.[20] Favre finished his first season as a Packer with 3,227 yards and a quarterback rating of 85.3, helping him to his first Pro Bowl."

Unless you are talking about the 4 passes he threw for Atlanta, I would say his first year was pretty decent, wouldn't you?

[panthers55]

Point is this: If you want to take a kid who is a great athlete and wait through a contract for him to mature, then you are hypocritical because you gave Clausen 5 games or so. I just don't see the patience here that Cam will need-unless you are talking double standard. If you are so certain that Clausen is a bust, then you would also have cut Favre. Vick's first year was not good -look at his stats. He would have been gone by the standards of the Cam lovers here. Ryan, a cerebral qb, was effective not because his rep was established with his arm or legs, but with his brain. It is how he succeeded and why the Falcons will keep this QB. This isn't hard, people. Your entire perspective is based on a false sense of QB expertise, hype, and a blinded view of an overrated player. If you want to analyze talent, be objective about it.

Not directed at you Teeray. Just my thoughts when I opened this.

You are missing what is going to happen here. Clausen and Moore were signed to play this year and compete for the QB position. If they are the best guys they will play and likely either compete for the starter position going forward or be the placeholder until Newton/Gabbert are ready to play. If we draft a QB at number 1 he will be the expected starter down the road. The other guys are here in case he is a bust or they play well enough to actually be the franchise guy themselves. If you have enough guys somebody is going to emerge as your franchise guy.

[Awesomeness!!]

Oh wait what happened?..

[Dex]

Oh wait what happened?..

You haven't heard? The Golden Calf of Bristol is on the cover of the NFL Magazine.

[King Taharqa]

Cam Newton is the only thing that can save the Carolina Panthers, carolinahuddle.com, and JIP. Passing on him would hurt us a lot more than it would hurt him. Its looking the front office is confronting reality and are gonna do the right thing.

:cam:

[Jangler]

stupid ass bumps

[bauss]

Postits! Hurry!!! Before you're bant.

[redbuddha]

Panthers55 I've never been in trouble with the law, but if I am I want you to be my attorney.

[carolinarolls]

As an Alabama fan,

This is where I stopped reading