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So a CB hasn't been drafted first overall, fine...

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yeah don't draft CB's because when they're good they take away a whole side of the field and the other team won't even throw to that side! they're useless! why take a Darrelle Revis when teams won't even go to his side of the field! that's gotta be cheating or something..

Make sure we get Glenn Dors.....er, um, Nick Fairley instead. He absolutely commands a whole 3 yards of field on any given play.

Sad thing is, most here would agree with taking Peterson if they weren't under the mystical delusion that we might actually draft Newton...ooh..gotta go guys my pig just landed..

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College numbers are comparable, size is better in a better college conference (so people say), no reason to say hes not... but he has the skill set for sure, and hes ready NOW. He can make an IMPACT TOMORROW, either on Defense or on speical teams. I'll take a guy every day of the week that has ability to impact two out of 3 phases of a game and who can do it now... to someone that impacts 1, and cant do it now. Someone who cant do it now goes in the 4th or 5th round.. someone who can, goes in the first.

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The only problem is that we don't know for a fact that he's gonna be the next Revis. I wouldn't shed any tears if we drafted PP, but I believe people are jumping the gun a little bit with that comparison.

First off, does he HAVE to be the next Revis for us to select him? I havent seen too many people say he is, but they compare him to Revis b/c he should have a very similar impact. Besides a DT, there arent too many other guys we are considering that would no doubt be the starter from day 1.

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College numbers are comparable, size is better in a better college conference (so people say), no reason to say hes not... but he has the skill set for sure, and hes ready NOW. He can make an IMPACT TOMORROW, either on Defense or on speical teams. I'll take a guy every day of the week that has ability to impact two out of 3 phases of a game and who can do it now... to someone that impacts 1, and cant do it now. Someone who cant do it now goes in the 4th or 5th round.. someone who can, goes in the first.

That's fine, assuming we can find a competent QB to run the offense. Otherwise, he will just get worn down by being on the field all the time and we will still be losing games.

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First off, does he HAVE to be the next Revis for us to select him? I havent seen too many people say he is, but they compare him to Revis b/c he should have a very similar impact. Besides a DT, there arent too many other guys we are considering that would no doubt be the starter from day 1.

If you're gonna select a CB at #1, then he damn well better be as good as Revis.

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That's fine, assuming we can find a competent QB to run the offense. Otherwise, he will just get worn down by being on the field all the time and we will still be losing games.

Like that dude on the Radio said, they think Clausen is better than 2 QB's on the board, Newton and Gabbert... I think with 1 year under his belt (trust me Im not a fan) he may be the guy.. if he gets help. I think Matt Moore could be a darkhorse here. Many people forget him... Hes won way more games than hes lost as a starter and until he got hurt, had better numbers in as many games as All-Star caliber QB's.

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The rationale for why a corner has never been taken first in the draft is that they can be too easily schemed around and taken out of the game. If you overload the corner's side with an over and under route and send a running back in the flat, he can't cover everybody.

A DT is involved on every play and while you can double him, you are having to game plan for him all day. A corner isn't even involved on plays to the opposite side of the field.

this, this is why we need a d lineman and not a receiver/corner, but damn i'd love to have PP

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Like that dude on the Radio said, they think Clausen is better than 2 QB's on the board, Newton and Gabbert... I think with 1 year under his belt (trust me Im not a fan) he may be the guy.. if he gets help. I think Matt Moore could be a darkhorse here. Many people forget him... Hes won way more games than hes lost as a starter and until he got hurt, had better numbers in as many games as All-Star caliber QB's.

He stated this below

Both the Panthers and scouts from other teams also believe that Jimmy Clausen is better than all but 2 of the quarterbacks in this draft: Newton and Gabbert. Better than Locker, Mallet, Ponder, etc.
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Like that dude on the Radio said, they think Clausen is better than 2 QB's on the board, Newton and Gabbert... I think with 1 year under his belt (trust me Im not a fan) he may be the guy.. if he gets help. I think Matt Moore could be a darkhorse here. Many people forget him... Hes won way more games than hes lost as a starter and until he got hurt, had better numbers in as many games as All-Star caliber QB's.

I wish I could believe that dude on the radio. I'm still a Matt Moore fan, but I'm not sold on him being a starter either. I just want to get this QB position fixed.

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I wish I could believe that dude on the radio. I'm still a Matt Moore fan, but I'm not sold on him being a starter either. I just want to get this QB position fixed.

But how in the HELL does Newton or Gabbert fix the position? Jesus if we draft those guys Im so glad we dont have RIP. Ha.

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But how in the HELL does Newton or Gabbert fix the position? Jesus if we draft those guys Im so glad we dont have RIP. Ha.

Because they are both more talented than Clausen. Even the guy on the radio said that. I'm not saying the Panthers are gonna draft either one of them, but I wouldn't rule it out either. We're not going anywhere without a QB and I don't think the Bengals are gonna trade Palmer.

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But how in the HELL does Newton or Gabbert fix the position? Jesus if we draft those guys Im so glad we dont have RIP. Ha.

Because with Clausen taking snaps we were 32nd in passing... dead last... in the NFL.

We could have brough Vinny Testaverde out of retirement and have gotten the same or better production. For that fact, we could have kept Delhomme and gotten the same or better results.

We need to upgrade the position, Jimmy was brought in to do that. He didn't. So, we bring in someone else till we get someone who can play.

And the argument that "he was just a rookie" holds no weight. Other rookies have come in and performed significantly better to exponentially better in their first year.

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