The Cam Newton and Race Thread!

[bleys]

I dont think all whites are racist. I do think the team and fanbase have been biased overall but are showing growth and acceptance for change which is a good thing. I dont think everyone who didnt want Vick or Cam is racist. Just the ones who trash their character to rationalize their hate or play them as all the same are.

actually, it APPEARS that you do.. you call majority of white people out for being racist without any evidence as such. you make wild assumptions about members by claiming they are trashing a players character to rationalize their hate..

you do the former to rationalize the latter.. with no evidence of anything..

in regard to keeping this civil.. I'm simply pointing this stuff out as an attempt to explain where a lot of people feel offended and the rabbit hole of a discussion that occurs when you call them racist based on an assumption.

if you continue to turn a blind eye to peoples ignorant comments and ban people who challenge them youre gonna bring the wrong kind of attention and animosity to Zods real world business. A vbulletin control panel isnt the answer. This board is already being monitored. Pissing off psl holders and paying fans of the Panthers probably isnt a smart move. Were all here to express opinions, but banning one group and shielding another isnt gonna end well. not to mention you arent partial at all on this topic.

what is ironic though is this applies to you just as much as anyone.

[Panthro]

People who say they are colorblind are the first to see someones color.

[Jangler]

Were there many Panthers fans that didn't like Rodney Peete bc he was black?

That was when America was innocent.

[Fiz]

as a white man living in atlanta

[Proudiddy]

Is it possible to have a sensible and honest discussion on Cam Newton and how his selection relates to race? Can we discuss the realities of it in a civil manner without negativity?

I'll start:

- Are there white folks who do not want Cam mainly because he is a black QB? Yep.

- Are there black folks who do want Cam mainly because he is a black QB? Yep

- Do these two statements describe the majority of Panthers fans? Nope, not even close.

- Is it wrong for a black Panthers fan to hope for a black QB mainly because of his color? No, I don't think so. I think its natural for you to pull for someone you more closely identify yourself with to succeed in an area that has been a challenge historically. If I am being honest, I pull for Steve Nash mainly because I relate to Steve Nash and like to see him excel in a position where people who look like me typically do not. While this is racist by definition, its not exclusionary in that I still pull for plenty of black athletes as well. I do not exclude other players because of their race.

- Is it wrong to pretend to know what is in the heart of your fellow huddlers and accuse them of racism despite having no evidence as such? Absolutely, its plain wrong and immature. Once the race card is thrown out, all conversation ends and defensive posturing begins. Its intellectual tripe.

There are some thoughts of mine. Anyone want to comment?

Remember, lets keep this honest and civil. Can we do it?

This may be the single greatest post in the history of the huddle. May I request to have it stickied? It pretty much sums up all the problems this board has been having in regards to the "black QB" debate.

Now time to revert to immaturity. Zod...

You said "black panthers fan..." :lol: I want Huey P. Newton to play QB.

[ammofan]

I don't give a crap about Cam's race. I want him here badly because he's exactly what we need...... A PLAYMAKER. Jimmy ain't gonna cut it next season.....we need to capitalize on our talent and get a guy who can get the ball to others and put some points up on the board.

[Jangler]

People who say they are colorblind are the first to see someones color.

I hate when people say that. Color is the first thing you see, to say you don't see it is discounting that person. Judging that person because of their color is what is racist.

[YourMomsLover]

I don't give a crap about Cam's race. I want him here badly because he's exactly what we need...... A PLAYMAKER. Jimmy ain't gonna cut it next season.....we need to capitalize on our talent and get a guy who can get the ball to others and put some points up on the board.

I like the guy in your avatar better. :D

I would rather AE be our QB...hes already here...no need to draft anyone!

[Brandon]

I dont think all whites are racist. I do think the team and fanbase have been biased overall but are showing growth and acceptance for change which is a good thing. I dont think everyone who didnt want Vick or Cam is racist. Just the ones who trash their character to rationalize their hate or play them as all the same are.

So you are saying that people who raise character concern issues about felons are racists? I'm not asking this to bait you, this is a sincere question.

You vehemently defended Michael Vick's character pre-dogfight scandal calling me and several other people racists, despite the fact that we were right all along about him. Interesting how that works.

[Squirrel]

I'm prejudice. I dont like drafting any QB in the first round. The only way we should draft a QB in the first round is if he is a sure fire lock.

[DaCityKats]

He had a 52% Completion Percentage at the combine.

His Pro Day was considered "sub standard" by others than Mayock. 50 of 60 passes in a setting that works towards your advantage could of been better. Sam Bradford went 49 of 50. However I don't believe Newton or Gabbert are on the same potential scale as Bradford. I honestly don't believe there is a QB in this draft worth the #1 overall pick, much less top 5. But where there is a need at a position, there is always someone willing to reach.

who cares about completion % during the combine people look at release, footwork etc.this crap about a qb is not worth a top 5 pick is retarded whoever the best qb should go #1 to us.

[Squirrel]

who cares about completion % during the combine people look at release, footwork etc.this crap about a qb is not worth a top 5 pick is retarded whoever the best qb should go #1 to us.

But the best Qb in this draft could be the 6th best in next years. Just because he is the best QB in the class doesnt mean he is good.

[Anybodyhome]

But the top 4 QBs in this draft are better than anything on Carolina's roster today...

[Proudiddy]

But the top 4 QBs in this draft are better than anything on Carolina's roster today...

Agreed. I've said it a million times.