The Cam Newton and Race Thread!

[mav1234]

I didn't know quarterbacks ever had anything but basically perfect Pro Days until this week. But I guess when you are very raw and still learning the position at the NFL level, that's going to happen. I liked the improvement I saw from Cam but he's not there yet. Still going to work at it I hope, and continue working at it if we draft him. There are times when he makes a throw and you just go, "Damn. If only he could do that more often." and other times where it's clear he's still a huge work in progress.

If he continues to work at it, I have no doubt in a couple years he could be pretty damn good though... I just worry that in a game situation that work will go out the window. Same can be said of any quarterback and what they learn though, which is one reason I don't want a QB in with the first.

[Brandon]

11 of 21 at the Combine (and the "didn't have his own receivers" argument is crap).

No, the Combine isn't more important than game film, but again when a guy has only 50% accuracy with no pressure in his face, that's a red flag. Not sure how anyone can argue that's not concerning.

While I'm not a Cam supporter, I will counter your argument with this: He doesn't have those accuracy issues come game time; he was 55-56/60 at his pro day, not to mention showing the ability to lead receivers.

The big questions on Cam is how is he going to do with the X's and O's of football, and is he going to put the work in towards becoming an NFL QB. I can't answer these questions and nor can anybody else here. All we can do is place our faith in the FO to make the right choice whether it's Gabbert or Newton.

[Zcustom]

Either way I bet all of you a bazillion yen that IF Cam started every game of the 2011 season (for any team) he wouldn't have single pass batted down at the line of scrimmage

/shotatpickles

[TheRealDeal]

I asked him about Cam's work ethic and ability to learn new offenses. (something I have yet to question but others have)

:grouphug:

What do you expect his "mentor" to say?

"He's lazy as fug and dumb as a rock"

???

[MattB]

Cam is inconsistent with his accuracy because he's still learning how to take snaps from under center. Warren Moon has mentioned that his big weakness is his footwork. The question is whether he has the work ethic to improve and whether he's coachable.

[mav1234]

I asked him about Cam's work ethic and ability to learn new offenses. (something I have yet to question but others have)

:grouphug:

I have no doubt he's working hard, but... complex offense at Auburn? Well. I guess...

[Mr. Scot]

I asked him about Cam's work ethic and ability to learn new offenses. (something I have yet to question but others have)

:grouphug:

I asked Blaine Gabbert's agent about him. He said Newton's work ethic is awful and his brain has worms in it :sosp:

[Bj-Monster23]

Wow something to think about. There has always been questions about black people who ever wanted to play QB in college and a hell of alot more questions for the NFL game.Its obivious that most people in the media or what ever the situation maybe, they dont feel that black QB's have the smarts to be successful at the position.Other parts of the game you can work on its weather if they have the work ethic to get it done. I feel that if Cam Newton wants to be the best its going to be because almost every single person has doubt his game. And that should give him the drive to get better.

He is not as Bad of a QB that people or scouts make out for others to assume. Yes he have flaws in his game but most QB's in the NFL do except maybe Peyton or Tom. But if the coaches can put him in the rite position and give him a scheme that he can use his talent he will be a good QB. What i think people miss out on is that you really have to coach this kid up just like everybody else you cant expect him to come in the league to be perfect. But with the rite coaching and work ethic he can be a good QB and if he expand his game a little bit more he can really be something. Hands Down!

Im not saying this because im black, because i was one of the ones who wanted luck. but its obivious he didnt want to be apart of us. So the world must go on with or without Andrew Luck. Because its not Guarnteed we will be in the top 3 next year to get him and then we will be like we lost out again like always.

[monstercat]

So the Combine doesn't matter, but the Pro Day does? Is that what I'm getting here?

I have said from the beginning that they both matter. You're the one who said that a workout in shorts means nothing. You said it when I was trying to explain to you that Cam's so-called "publicity stunt" workout for the media wouldn't hurt him....which it didn't, BTW.

[Proudiddy]

Cam is inconsistent with his accuracy because he's still learning how to take snaps from under center. Warren Moon has mentioned that his big weakness is his footwork. The question is whether he has the work ethic to improve and whether he's coachable.

From what I've seen/heard, this is also why so many people are emphasizing that if he applies himself fully, he'll be a good one because his weaknesses are easily coachable. Mayock also emphasized how important it was to remember at the combine that all of those throws were going to be difficult for a lot of those guys because they hadn't taken them from under center before (which obviously affects footwork and the drop).

[RWatson43]

I think the consensus is that if we draft Newton he will be supported. From what I have read no one has said that we shouldn't draft him cause he is black, unless i missed it. I hope Hurney gets the best person for the team and to fit in with Rivera's plans. Cam is not at #1 pick in my opinion. Again I would like answers to the off field issues and see better mechanics, especially for the $ being paid out. Learning the x's and o's will come with time and can wait if they think he is the answer. He isn't a #1 draft pick, for the same reasons The Golden Calf of Bristol was picked late last year. Too many ?'s and risk vs. the reward & time to receive that reward.

KT- if you are so much better than everyone what you doing on here? And if you are what you say you are, can I get some lottery #'s

[Jackofalltrades]

I think the consensus is that if we draft Newton he will be supported. From what I have read no one has said that we shouldn't draft him cause he is black, unless i missed it. I hope Hurney gets the best person for the team and to fit in with Rivera's plans. Cam is not at #1 pick in my opinion. Again I would like answers to the off field issues and see better mechanics, especially for the $ being paid out. Learning the x's and o's will come with time and can wait if they think he is the answer. He isn't a #1 draft pick, for the same reasons The Golden Calf of Bristol was picked late last year. Too many ?'s and risk vs. the reward & time to receive that reward.

KT- if you are so much better than everyone what you doing on here? And if you are what you say you are, can I get some lottery #'s

You must have missed, accord to KT anyone who doesn't want him, regardless of reason, is a simplistic, racist redneck who's too ignorant to understand his personal strife and battle to overcome the unending oppression he's faced with everyday. :eek:

[Jackofalltrades]

What got me banned was the administrator of a message board (where people DEBATE opinions) couldnt debate or defend his words, so banning me and grandstanding about it was his only option. I was very specific who I was talking to. And once again, you guys cant stand up for yourselves and have to throw "all white people" under the bus. There's plenty white folks on this board I get along with and never had a problem with. There's plenty who dont want Cam Ive never called out. Fact is, one of the most anti-Cam people on a message board felt the need to ban one of the more vocal to prove a point and try to shift opinion on this board.

I'm not an administrator, just a lowly mod. I never grandstanded either, I purposefully said little to nothing about it in these public forums. You're free to go back and look if you like.

Banning you was my only option since you've been warned time and time again, but you should be thankful I only did it for a week. A permanent ban was an option, but I try to give people a chance to learn from their mistakes and try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

I am one of the most anti-Cam people on the board and I stand by it for a myriad of reasons. That has nothing to do with this arguement or your banning, it has everything with your inability to make a rational arguement and immediately pulling out the race card. I never mentioned his color, race, religion or anything else that has absolutely nothing to do with his ability. My opinion is based on watching him play, knowing the transition that must be made and his history of making very stupid decisions, including cheating, stealing and trying to outwit the police by throwing a stolen laptop out of a window. Again, nothing there points to race.

Of course you cant imagine. You're a worker, not a boss. Just know any headaches Zod would be dealing with, not his worker bees. For the record, I love Zod, I love this board, and I love the people on it. I just think we got a few entitled bad apples who have the potential to spoil it for everybody.

I've managed and owned my own businesses, my father started and owned a well know company in Charlotte for 19 years, to say I know nothing of Zod's point of view is as short sighted and ignorant and most of the other garbage you spew. This is a fair place to voice your opinion with otheres. It's when you get defensive about other's opinions and turn arguements into something they're not is when things get out of hand. I was merely trying to subdue one of the sight's biggest offenders. I've had a lot of support for my decision, yet only one person came to your defense. That should tell you something. Before you get to it, let me also establish that of the Admin and Mods here, I ban far less than anyone else. I am perhaps the most tolerant, but once I've been pushed I push back.

Of course you dont, because you dont even know what you're getting this board into or who you're dealing with. All you know is KT on the internet.

Please educate me and my ignorance of the risks of my actions. I'm sure you'll quickly dial up the NAACP and whine to them, but I doubt they'd side with your sensationalism.

You're not partial because your bias and your commitment to this team seems predicated on the identity of our QB. You've spammed probably 50-60 Cam threads on this board saying the exact same thing in every one. No doubt, you, TRD, Mr.Scot and some of the other "Anybody But Cam" crew have posted in far more Cam threads than King Taharqa. Its been straight ATTACK MODE. Your reasoning that people who want Cam dont care about character is also very immature and grandiose. But pretty much expected from someone with pretty shallow intentions who likes to paint black QBs with a broad brush. Can you tell me one white athlete that Ive ever displayed this kind of behavior towards on this board? Just one? Did I go in 40 Luck threads and talk about him being a "douchebag" or question his intelligence? Do I go in threads where a white athlete has legal problems (ex: Big Ben) and use that as a chance to prop myself up as morally superior or make a broad statement about white athletes in general? No sir I dont. But thats something you do often. Its called an "agenda"

I'm partial, but I'm also entitled to my opinion. I have spammed the Cam threads pushing my anti-Cam agenda and I won't even begin to deny it, never have. There are people with a pro-Cam agenda and I have no problem with that. What seperates you from them is they're not crying wolf over the ASSUMPTION that my arguement is based on race.

Luck didn't have any red flags that accompanied his character, he didn't get caugh cheating multiple times, he didn't steal a lap top and then throw it out a window when the cops showed up, if he had I'd refer to him as a douchebag, much like I do other white players such as Jeremy Shockey, Jeremey Stevens and Kerry Collins for their actions. I was very outspoken against Big Ben for the crap he pulled, I thought he got off too lightly. I don't want Ryan Mallet at all because I've not heard the answer to allegations of Cocaine use. It's a character thing, not a race thing. This seems rather simple, I'm just not sure why you can't seem to grasp it.

Because they are ignorant and you took the coward way out, you banned me without defending them. Then tried to grandstand on it, which in a way only drew more support for Cam on this board. People have been more vocal about their support for him here ever since I got banned. So in a way, you came thru big time.

The support for Cam is as loud as it was before your break, but if you want to make yourself out as a methaphorical martyr then be my guest. Hell, if it makes you feel better I'll credit you for being the reason he's had the success he's had. He'd be nowhere if not for your personal, jaded endorsement.

You have nothing against stereotyping black QBs and attacking their character too. "He's big and black, he's big and black, he's another Jamarcus Russell! LOLZ"

My characterization was because Russell was the last big bust at the #1 spot, coincidentally he was also a QB and severely overhyped. Again, you're just trying to spin this into a racial arguement and that's why you were banned.

I'm not a victim, Im a prophet. I'm a leader. I say things one day, and the world catches up and agrees months later. Truly ahead of my time. Ask me who I said back in October the Panthers should draft #1? Ask me who I said was the best QB prospect in the draft then. Now here we are, and old KT might not be as crazy as we try to make him out to be. I think thats why people are so upset, they hate to see old KT be right even for something as beneficial to our franchise as this. ;)

Wow, I don't even know what to say about this. Modesty, you might should look into it a little.

Who cares? 3/4th of em are people Ive called out over a 7 year span on this board. They're still bitter and upset that I challenged them. They'll get over it. At the same time, I got my share of rep and pats on the back for calling you out. Its not like people arent concerned with your ability to lead this section of the board. Its not like a lot of vets arent concerned with the quality of the main board ever since some of the mods immersed themselves in the "Anybody But Cam" campaign.

What's funny is that there are several Admins on this board and none of them are shy, or hesitant to call another mod or admin out if they feel they're wrong. There's no secret Admin/Mod brotherhood where we turn a blind eye to wrong doing by our own. Nothing has been said to me, but perhaps it's because I'm not going to dance your dance. Me and my Anti-Cam propaganda machine will stand our ground based on the facts at hand and not your perceptions about my posts, my personality or my perogative.

My job here is to keep a relative peace among posters and there are many I have disagreed with over the years for an array of reasons. There are other posters who I disagree with ardently, but those conversations have maintained a respectful tone because neither of us stoop to the level you've acheived by throwing out the race card at every opportunity.

For the record I would take McNabb in a heartbeat, I'd like to spend a late pick on Tyrod Taylor. My favorite players are Beason, Smith, Williams and Thomas Davis. Notice a trend there, none of them are white. My favorite player of all time is Jerry Rice, another black guy. I've served in the USMC and as a fireman and paramedic, all three would be very difficult if I had some aversion to black people. You can try to paint me as the evil racist white guy who represents all that's wrong with the "establishment" and society in general, but you'd be way off the mark. I could introduce you to people who genuinely believe people who aren't of their color are sub-human garbage and here's the kicker, these people represent all races.

So get off your high horse because I'm simply not buying the bullshit you're selling. If you want to talk football then lets get to it, but accusing me and anyone else who doesn't agree with you a racist isn't going to get you anywhere either on here or in life in general.

For your entertainment let me offer this disclosure. My opinions are my own, I don't represent the Huddle as an entity, nor do I represent the opinions, ideals or beliefs of the owner or other members, moderators or administrators.

Stop being the victim, stop crying wolf and try to argue objectively without the wanna be Jesse Jackson mantra.

:rant:

[MHS831]

Cam is inconsistent with his accuracy because he's still learning how to take snaps from under center. Warren Moon has mentioned that his big weakness is his footwork. The question is whether he has the work ethic to improve and whether he's coachable.

I think he is coachable. I am not sure he is going to be able to react in game situations correctly. I also think he learned his lessons from UF--he has been through Hell over that stuff. I was once 19. That is not an excuse, however, because I have crappy character. If you paid me $20 million guaranteed, I am buying a pontoon boat, a bug zapper, 10 high dollar hookers of various ethnicities, 20 cases of imported beer from St. Louis, and the next time you saw me I would be on the news and broke.

In fairness, nobody knows which QBs make it and which do not. At least Cam has a chance. Gabbert, Mallett, and Locker seem like busts to me.