FYI on the Newton Debate

[TylerDurden]

Judge allowing a one year extension of 2010 CBA still a possibility.

This really doesn't make sense though, if they weren't thinking about it and towards it before 2010, they had all this past season to do it and still couldn't come to a resolution in that time. I don't see that happening.

[Mr. Scot]

Lemme put to words what some in the Pro-Newton crowd seem unable to fathom regarding the Anti-Newton crowd:

- We don't hate him. In fact, we have no personal feelings about him at all. He's just another football player.

- We have no desire to see him fail or have tragedy befall him. Why should we? What would it benefit us?

- We don't care that he's black. In fact, there's a load of white guys most of us don't want either.

- We simply think, for football reasons, that he's not worth the Panthers taking him with the #1 overall pick.

It really is that simple.

Now if you want to argue that he is worth it, well and good, as long as you bring football logic to the discussion. When, instead, you throw out stuff like "you hate him", "you're racist" or "you don't care about winning" or any other such personal argument, you don't help your case.

In fact, the only thing you actually do accomplish by saying that stuff is to make yourselves look really stupid :frown2:

The truth is that if Newton is drafted here, those of us who were against it happening will stand behind the choice and hope that we were wrong. Nobody's leaving the fanbase in protest because they drafted Cam Newton, and no one's going to hope that he fails or gets hurt. Quite the opposite, we'll hope for his success because that's what'll be best for the team.

If he isn't drafted, then the vast majority of us won't really care what happens to him - good or bad - because he won't be a Panther.

And that's pretty much all there is to it. I'm not sure why some find that so difficult to understand :nonod:

So...shall we try this again?

[teeray]

LOL. Look at my post that was bull poo back then to try to make my point that is bull poo now. Why don't you actually do something to make people believe that rubbish instead of referencing us back to your own ghey post.

:lol:

[blackcatgrowl]

Oh... but... but.... he's "OK" with Newton!!!

I think the reality here is Mr. Scot knows he's lost this war against Newton he's waged and is starting to give ground.

[Mr. Scot]

You guys have no idea just how idiotic you sound right now :nonod:

[Mr. Scot]

Tell me this guys. What happens if we draft Newton and he stinks? Will everybody who acknowledges that be called haters and racists then too?

If so, congratulations. You'll have successfully turned us into the Falcons board.

[teeray]

Don't even know whay that means. :thumbsup: after the things you have helped propagate if Cam Newton is successful you have forfeited your right to pull for him.

[teeray]

Way to bump your own thread though.

[blackcatgrowl]

Tell me this guys. What happens if we draft Newton and he stinks? Will everybody who acknowledges that be called haters and racists then too?

If so, congratulations. You'll have successfully turned us into the Falcons board.

If he sucks, then he sucks. We move on to the next draft or talk about our next option at QB. Just like we are doing with Clausen/Moore.

If we draft AJ Green and he sucks, then he sucks.

If we trade down and pick up a couple players and they suck, then they suck.

Our team either takes the risk on upside and potential, or we sit there in a complacent stupor, unwilling to go for the big time player, not making progress towards a championship.

If it doesn't work out, you move on.

The problem I have, is that you're advocating the complacent stupor. Like the Arizona Cardinals.... they had a drafted QB that sucked. They got a stop gap in Warner. Maybe even a GOOD stop gap.

Problem is, we are not in the NFC West. And there aren't any Kurt Warners out there. We can NOT afford to take stop gaps like they did and pray we get into the play offs with a losing record. We're in the NFC South!! This division plays hardcore to win.

[Ricky Spanish]

The pro Cam guys are instigators Scott, you do realize you won't get your point across to them don't you? They're just poking and poking and poking to try and make you flip. These guys aren't THAT stupid that they can't understand what you are trying to say, they just get a kick out of watching anti-camers squirm.

[Mr. Scot]

The pro Cam guys are instigators Scott, you do realize you won't get your point across to them don't you? They're just poking and poking and poking to try and make you flip. These guys aren't THAT stupid that they can't understand what you are trying to say, they just get a kick out of watching anti-camers squirm.

Actually, I think some of them really are that stupid, sadly :(

But as far as getting me to "flip" today, not likely :D

(take a look here if you want to see why)

[blackcatgrowl]

Actually, I think some of them really are that stupid, sadly :(

But as far as getting me to "flip" today, not likely :D

(take a look here if you want to see why)

Your amateur posting techniques amuse me. See #2

[Peppers90 NC]

Lemme put to words what some in the Pro-Newton crowd seem unable to fathom regarding the Anti-Newton crowd:

- We don't hate him. In fact, we have no personal feelings about him at all. He's just another football player.

- We have no desire to see him fail or have tragedy befall him. Why should we? What would it benefit us?

- We don't care that he's black. In fact, there's a load of white guys most of us don't want either.

- We simply think, for football reasons, that he's not worth the Panthers taking him with the #1 overall pick.

It really is that simple.

Now if you want to argue that he is worth it, well and good, as long as you bring football logic to the discussion. When, instead, you throw out stuff like "you hate him", "you're racist" or "you don't care about winning" or any other such personal argument, you don't help your case.

In fact, the only thing you actually do accomplish by saying that stuff is to make yourselves look really stupid :frown2:

The truth is that if Newton is drafted here, those of us who were against it happening will stand behind the choice and hope that we were wrong. Nobody's leaving the fanbase in protest because they drafted Cam Newton, and no one's going to hope that he fails or gets hurt. Quite the opposite, we'll hope for his success because that's what'll be best for the team.

If he isn't drafted, then the vast majority of us won't really care what happens to him - good or bad - because he won't be a Panther.

And that's pretty much all there is to it. I'm not sure why some find that so difficult to understand :nonod:

best post made on the huddle. ever.

[Mr. Scot]

Your amature posting techniques amuse me.

Your opinion matters to me about as much as your spelling :lol:

That post is meant for friends and people I respect. You don't qualify on either front.

It does tell me a lot about you that rather than say something positive about a real-life situation (the kind of thing that's, you know, bigger than football) you instead choose to relate back to a discussion on a football board. You could at least have been happy for me. Guess that was too much to ask, though.

Sad :nonod:

What you should learn from it is that there are way more important things in my life than who we pick at quarterback. That's why the notion so many have thrown around that I have some personal, emotional interest in this debate comes off as incredibly stupid once you know the whole story.

Or you can keep doing like you're doing. Doesn't really matter to me either way.