Cam Newton: Risk vs Reward.

[YourMomsLover]

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/45958-its-obvious-to-anyone-with-a-clue-the-panthers-draft-with-their-first-pick-13.html

Check that out KT. Thread from October and you wanted Pryor not Cam. So please explain to me how you have wanted one guy since October when Pryor and Cam are two different people.

KT just got owned...dont worry Chef, he wont reply!

[YourMomsLover]

October you wanted Pryor. Didn't want Newton til December I believe. That's more than one. Someone needs to help you with your math.

"I believe"? You dont sound very confident in what you're saying. Clear proof you're wrong. In October we didnt know we would be picking first. LOL. Try again, youngster.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/45958-its-obvious-to-anyone-with-a-clue-the-panthers-draft-with-their-first-pick-13.html

Check that out KT. Thread from October and you wanted Pryor not Cam. So please explain to me how you have wanted one guy since October when Pryor and Cam are two different people.

bahahahahahaha OWNED! :hurray:

[King Taharqa]

You constantly say Newton is the best QB coming out so I would like to know how you came to that conclusion besides he is black.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/smack-central/52109-pharaoh-taharqa-vs-our-own-kt.html

Ron Rivera and the Panthers you're only high on Cam because he's black. It cant be because he's good. Its just cuz he's black. chef17 is only 18 years old.

[King Taharqa]

Good easy find, and his ass wont find me ever saying Moore was better than Vick or anyone else for that matter. He also had Pryor in his signature well into November. I'm sure once he is proven wrong he will disappear, thanks for removing his foolishness from this thread.

My signature in November was Steve Smith Is The Greatest Panther of All Time. Pryor has never been in my sig or avy, but Cam has since October. I like Pryor and think he can be a good NFL QB, but he's not coming out this season, Cam is and is a better prospect. Im willing to bet you and Chef have liked or supported more than 2 different white QBs in your lifetime. Was it just because they are white? Thats what you get when you lower the convo down to "you only want him cuz he's black" that you two are implying.

[Catalyst]

The Panthers were set back by Tommy Jone Jake, Moore, and Clausen. Lost 2 seasons behind them. We're the worst team in the league, and one of the most boring.

This.

[Verge]

I really don't mind risking the number one pick on a risky guy, I do however mind taking a qb with many off the field issues with the number one pick, don't you think those issues will get a tad worse after we pay him upwards to 50 million dollars.

Hell I think Cam's off the field issues are worse than Mallett's.

I'll take Gabbert, Locker, and Mallett 1,000 times over at number 1 before Newton.

[koolkatluke]

My signature in November was Steve Smith Is The Greatest Panther of All Time. Pryor has never been in my sig or avy, but Cam has since October. I like Pryor and think he can be a good NFL QB, but he's not coming out this season, Cam is and is a better prospect. Im willing to bet you and Chef have liked or supported more than 2 different white QBs in your lifetime. Was it just because they are white? Thats what you get when you lower the convo down to "you only want him cuz he's black" that you two are implying.

I'm black and even I think Pryor sucks. He is always doing a bad Tommy Frazier impression every time I see him play. Again I say if you like Pryor as a NFL QB you should love Denard Robinson. Neither one will be a good NFL QB.

[King Taharqa]

I'm black and even I think Pryor sucks. He is always doing a bad Tommy Frazier impression every time I see him play. Again I say if you like Pryor as a NFL QB you should love Denard Robinson. Neither one will be a good NFL QB.

He definitely didn't have the greatest year, which is why he needed to stay in school another year to work on his game.

[Doc Holiday]

Some people having been talking about Cam Newtons off the field issues, but lets talk about his on the field issues.

Namely he's from a Spread offense, if the recent history of Spread offense QB's isn't enough the scare you out of him being your #1 pick, then maybe you could say his combine performance when he was trying to go under center and missed wildly with "No Pressure at all" lets remember his WR's were running routes without defenders on the field no one in his face and no one running cover, even a half decent QB should have been able to do better.

Now could he turn into a Super Star?? yeah sure he could but so could anyone else we pick first overall, I really enjoyed all the posts about him becoming a Super Star as if he's the only one in the draft that can achieve such a status.

IMO anyone we draft could go anywhere from Bust to Good, or even Super Star Status, this isn't something that is exclusive to say Cam Newton or any other player, now me personally I don't care who we draft as long as they improve the team, I'm not high on any of the QB's in this draft, but honestly I'm not really high on anyone at this point, and IMO whoever Hurney Drafts will be fine by me because at least with Hurney he's usually very good when it comes to first round draft picks, its just the second we have to worry about with him but we don't have one this year so I guess we don't have to worry about that right???

[Highlandfire]

Passing on a franchise QB is a bigger deal. the last 3 teams to go in a different direction than QB are all picking in the top 11 this year. (Dolphins, Texans, and Browns)

So you can play it safe but expect to be picking in this area for the foreseeable future.

Personally I hope we aren't becoming the Bills or Browns.

I know the Dolphins wish they had their pick back right now

The bills are the worst because they have the worst owner in the NFL even over Al Davis.

Passing on a Franchise QB? I didn't see Sam Bradford or anyone nearly as NFL ready as him in this draft. There is minimal at best difference between talent levels of Gabbert, Newton, Locker, Mallett, Dalton, Ponder and Kaepernick. Minimal.

If you would get your lips off cams ass for more than 5 minutes you would see that.

[Catalyst]

Hell I think Cam's off the field issues are worse than Mallett's.

:confused:

How in the hell can you say that? You'd rather have a coke head at QB than someone who made some mistakes fresh out of high school and owned up to all of them?

[Highlandfire]

:confused:

How in the hell can you say that? You'd rather have a coke head at QB than someone who made some mistakes fresh out of high school and owned up to all of them?

Please provide a link to factual information he did drugs / was a coke head please. All I have seen is media speculation.

[carpanfan96]

Please provide a link to factual information he did drugs / was a coke head please. All I have seen is media speculation.

I'm not going to say they were true or not, but when your draft stock crumbles and forces you to stay in school when you wanted to go pro.. (talking about last year's draft). He was drilled at the combine and in team interviews about his "drug use" and so forth.

I agree that Mallet has just as much upside as Gabbert and Newton. When it's reported that drug use kept you from entering the 2010 NFL draft, then something is probably there.

Imo, there really aren't any sure fire can't miss prospects in this draft. I wasn't completely sold on Luck either. I actually think he'll end up being the third or fourth QB taken in next years draft if he decides to enter it.

There's a reason that Luck was considered a top 1 pick if he entered this years draft, but there's also a reason that Gabbert and to an extent Newton and Locker have been considered top 5-10 picks at one point or another...

Gabbert and Locker were considered top 10 picks with Luck still in the draft, since then Locker has fallen down most draft boards while Newton has climbed them.

As for the topic of the thread

There always a significant chance that a prospect never finds success in the NFL, it's around a forty to fifty percent chance on average that a prospect even becomes a solid NFL player.

Jump that up to Pro Bowl or All Pro levels and the percentage drops even more. The safest picks would be solid Oline prospects (there are none worth the #1), Defensive positions, notably front seven. The two best prospects if regards to the Front seven are Von Miller and Marcell Dareus. I believe we are set at LB and while Dareus is worth the first pick, he has just as much of a chance if not more of a chance to be a bust as Newton does. Dline average bust rate is around 21 percent while QB's sit at an even 20.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=NextLevel7

The only other D prospect thats worth the #1 is PP7, He'll help the team out at ST's on Punt returns and could potentialy be a lock down corner. However there is a high bust rate for Corners as well, sits at 16.7 percent.

So what it comes Down to is what has the biggest reward for the team over the next 10 years vs the least risk of bust.

Your left with Newton or Gabbert at QB, or PP7 at DB. Outside shot being Green at WR, but then who gets him the ball and Skill positions bust almost as much as QB's. (19 %)

The best bang for the buck looking at numbers would be going QB with the first pick, or keeping with huddle attitude because QB's are such risk's.... Maybe not picking at all is the best option.

[TerriblePizza]

Isn't Not-Awesomeness the same guy that was tired of hearing about Cam Newton and thinks we should draft him?

Stop making threads to get attention.