Warren Moon sees racial bias regarding Cam Newton

[Snake]

He's right, a lot of people just dont like cam because he is black.

[ncmonzta]

maybe because there are legitimate concerns regarding Cam's personality/etc? you know, stuff that is backed by facts and not rumors?

yea his work ethic and leadership was definately backed up by fact all 13-0 of it.:)that's a fake smile by the way

[Jaxel]

yea his work ethic and leadership was definately backed up by fact all 13-0 of it.:)that's a fake smile by the way

So were all of his Florida term papers, those were fake smiles too.

[Swarly]

that's the problem here

many are using the past to set a standard for judging Cam. yes black QB's are definitely judged differently than white QB's. no denying that. the same way white WR's are judged differently(yet no one ever mentions that) from black WR's.

people are questioning Cam's intelligence because he was caught cheating on tests at Florida. people are questioning Cam's intelligence/character because he threw a stolen laptop out of a window. people are questioning Cam's character because he accepted $200k+ dollars in a huge pay-for-play scheme(not a big deal, but it's not exactly helping his case)

there are dozens of reasons not to like Cam, and his race isn't one of him. people are just using that because it's the easy way out

[ncmonzta]

well, the reality is that Cam Newton was arrested. That he had to leave one school because he got in trouble. That he had some huge question marks. And that honestly, his style of play typically doesn't pan out in the NFL. At the same time, the sky is the limit for him. His potential is crazy. He's in consideration for the #1. So he's a hot topic. He divides people, which makes him a popular subject for ESPN, etc. Is his race a reason for that? Partially, but I do believe if he was white AND did everything he has done he would still be a hot topic... though who knows what the tone would be.

The Golden Calf of Bristol was never in consideration for the #1. He was never in off the field trouble. and he still took crap. So meh.

"meh", of course:rolleyes:

[mav1234]

It's been a while, but I didn't recall anyone doubting Freeman's intelligence. I thought the major knock on him was accuracy.

[SCP]

Sure there are some white QBs that face similar questions. I am just trying to remember ONE high profile black QB that hasn't had his intelligence questioned. Freeman score a solid 27 on his wonderlic score and people questioned his ability to run an NFL offense and read defenses. He also came from a pro style offense. Yet Clausen comes from a pro style offense and scores a lower wonderlic score but is given grades like "incredible football IQ"

Again it isn't the criticisms levied but the threshold a person most cross to prove himself. That threshold is MUCH higher for a black QB. IMO

McNair? Culpepper? Can't remember hearing intelligence questions about those two. They both came from pass happy college offenses.

[ncmonzta]

he'd have to be sprayed with a hose for half of you to see racism.

[Jaxel]

It's been a while, but I didn't recall anyone doubting Freeman's intelligence. I thought the major knock on him was accuracy.

He's accurate now.... man I wish we would have drafted him... on to Madden. :(

[teeray]

All three did. And if I had my fugging computer I would link some examples :cuss:

[mav1234]

What I was trying to say was not that black and white players aren't labeled. They are. I was trying to say that not all questions about a player need be racially motivated just because they have been in the past.

If Freeman's intelligence was questioned, that is stupid. If his accuracy was questioned, that is legitimate, but imo he's turned out fine.

Now, Clausen paid scouts left and right to say good poo about him so I have no idea what the fug is true about him and what isn't in terms of scouts opinions, lol.

Cam's had some serious poo happen in this life, and he seems to have grown from it. Still, when you have the kind of things happen that he did, you do need to answer for them a bit... and he's not the only QB in this draft taking a hit from it. While people around here may not realize it, I personally think Mallett has had as much negative publicity for what little he actually gets... but hey, feel free to disagree with me :)

[teeray]

Some of Freeman's subsided after he scored a 27 on the wonderlic score. But not much.

[Marguide]

Personally, I don't think Nawrocki's statements were racially motivated. He just wants to sensationalize to sell draft guides.

But he should understand that attacking someone personally with the venom he showed in that piece leaves a writer open to these kind of charges.

What makes it worse is his style of writing. He doesn't state, for example, "some people find his smile fake" he states, "has a fake smile". When you make these sort of blanket statements relating to character, it is easy to believe the writer has an agenda.

That is true whether we are talking about Jimmy Clausen or Cam Newton.

[mav1234]

All three did. And if I had my fugging computer I would link some examples :cuss:

I admit I may have missed them, but I can't find any examples off draft sites I frequented, so that may be why I missed them.