Black QBs vs Black Coaches and GMs

[Mr. Scot]

Where exactly is the "huge controversy" abut Colin Kaepernick?

I don't recall David Garrard being especially controversial either, but The Golden Calf of Bristol sure was.

Edit: Biscuit gave a couple of other good examples.

[Millions]

Vick/Young/Rodgers have won games as dual threat guys..It's an added bonus if you're QB can beat you with his arms AND legs...

As far as the topic at hand it's just how sports is sadly black QB's get compared to other black QB's that's why people think Cam = Russell/Vick/Young.

[csx]

Rodney Peete was a powderkeg of controversy.

[Awesomeness!!]

High profile draft picks like VY, Mcnab, Newton etc.

What round did Garrard go in? Most people have no idea what team David Garrard plays for. Apples and oranges.

[csx]

I'll wade in here, I'm just watching golf..

Vick brought it on himself, so did Young and Russell... What issues did those three have before their own problems (Vick had the dogs, Young with the suicide talk and antics and Russell with the horrible play and drugs)

What issues/controversy, did McNair have? How about Leftwich or Garrard? Haven't heard any issues with Josh Freeman. What am I missing?

McNair was killed by the chick he was having an affair with. But that was someone elses fault, maybe the media, or racist forum posters. :rolleyes:

What round did Garrard go in? Most people have no idea what team David Garrard plays for. Apples and oranges.

uh....it was the 4th round and people who are football fans (like the people here) know who he plays for

[KillerKat]

Dual threat QB's shouldn't scare people though. One of the best QBs in NFL history is a dual threat QB.

[Darth Biscuit]

Not to keep this issue going (I'm pretty annoyed with it in general) but why does it as if black coaches are just as accepted and welcomed as white coaches, but with Black QBs there is always (and I mean always) some kind of controversy regarding them. Even with black GMs {who, next to the owner have the most power and control over the team) nobody really seems to care that they are black. I had no idea the GM in Baltimore was black. Nobody cared. It wasn't a big deal. Had we hired a black coach, nobody would have cared. If he performed, thats awesome, if not, oh well, but I doubt a big deal would have been made about it. Black QBs on the other hand, who have considerably less control of a team that their coachs or GMS are ALWAYS in the center of a race controversy. It simply fails the logic test. Is it because black coaches are proven? In the last few years black coaches have enjoyed much success, to the point where nobody even talks about their success anymore. Of course, there are the scrubs, but....thats to be expected I guess. You would be surprised to find how many black GMs there are in sports in general, as nobody brings their race to attention. They're accepted. Why can't the same be said for black QBs? And no, I'm not calling you racist, but the fact that this stupid ass race poo keeps getting brought up pisses me off, because I seriously believe 99.9999% of the board consist of good honest people, but even that doesn't prevent the discussion from coming up.

P.S Draft Cam in 26 days..

Um, please point out to me where your OP said "high draft pick" black QB's?

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Um, please point out to me where your OP said "high draft pick" black QB's?

Sorry for being a human that can't type down all 30,000 thoughts and calculations going on in my brain every second. My B..

[Mr. Scot]

High profile draft picks like VY, Mcnab, Newton etc.

What round did Garrard go in? Most people have no idea what team David Garrard plays for. Apples and oranges.

McNair and Leftwich both went first round (top ten) with no uproar or controversy at all.

The only controversy McNabb had was that idiot Philadelphia fans booed him.

Vick and Young weren't honestly all that controversial pre-draft either. Their respective issues came later.

As mentioned, all high picks get heavy scrutiny, not just the black ones. "Scrutiny" does not equal "controversy".

[Darth Biscuit]

Sorry for being a human that can't type down all 30,000 thoughts and calculations going on in my brain every second. My B..

That's fine, but when you ask a question, then someone answers and you then change the question, it makes it difficult to have a discussion, no?

[Jangler]

Dual threat QB's shouldn't scare people though. One of the best QBs in NFL history is a dual threat QB.

Steve Young? He's white, stay on target. ooops I mean stay focused.

[Mr. Scot]

Dual threat QB's shouldn't scare people though. One of the best QBs in NFL history is a dual threat QB.

Dual threat quarterbacks don't scare anyone.

"Run first" and "one read and run" quarterbacks do, and well they should.

You have to determine what you're looking at in any prospect. Just because he can run doesn't automatically make him a dual threat (see: Smith, Akili; Crouch, Eric)

They still have to be an effective passer first and foremost.

[BBQ&Beer]

There are several reasons actually, but if I had to pick one I would say people confusing other types of prejudice with racial prejudice. Some don't like spread offense QBs, some don't like ANY off field drama, some don't like the school the player is from, etc...

Sure its all irrational (to varying degrees) as is racial prejudice but its not racial. Thats where confirmation bias creeps in. "oh he uses Newton's smile as a reason not to draft him. That is irrational. Racism is irrational. Thus he is racist."

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Gone.