If you knew Newton would hit his upside

[mav1234]

if Newton runs too much, he WILL Be injured. just too punishing to be both a quarterback and a consistent runner.

He'll pick up big gains scrambling tho and will always be a threat in that way, but he can't play like he did in college... and he knows it.

[chef17]

Your right. He should be a passer first. But if he can pick up some of those 3rd downs with his legs it would cause the defenses to play him differently. It's the threat of the run to beat you both ways. The movement can already be seen if you look at Rodgers big Ben and so on. Neither of those guys have the speed that cam does or the arm strength. Big Ben shakes of taces which cam can do. But if you look at Lot of cams highlights, he avoids sacks and darts between defenders(see my signature) with agility that no big quarterback has ever done before.

The future quarterback as someone has said could, pick up the first on the ground or through the air. At 260 3rd and 2 becomes easy with the power to push the pile. Being a good passer is the most important, but having more options more threats is better than just 1.

Also just saw what teeray said Bout culpepper not running as much later in his career, I think he couldn't he blew out his knee and lost all his speed. Same thing with mcnabb. The only reason Vick is still kicking I believe is because he hasn't torn one hisself.

But there are already QBs who can beat you both ways. 3rd and 2 Ben can push the pile. Rodgers won't push the pile, but give him space and he can get 2 yards. Blitz him and he will find the open man. Defenses are already having to adjust to QBs who can pass and run.

[teeray]

But there are already QBs who can beat you both ways. 3rd and 2 Ben can push the pile. Rodgers won't push the pile, but give him space and he can get 2 yards. Blitz him and he will find the open man. Defenses are already having to adjust to QBs who can pass and run.

But Roetthlisberger won't beat you with his legs on 3rd and 8 the way he can on 3rd and 2. Cam has thay ability to break off big runs. Maybe not on the scale of Mike Vick but certainly more than Big Ben.

[micnificent28]

Thank you teeray lol

[top dawg]

I got three words for ya:

Better...stronger...faster

[chef17]

But Roetthlisberger won't beat you with his legs on 3rd and 8 the way he can on 3rd and 2. Cam has thay ability to break off big runs. Maybe not on the scale of Mike Vick but certainly more than Big Ben.

Rodgers can. But my point was even if he gets big plays, it has been done before.

[teeray]

Rodgers can. But my point was even if he gets big plays, it has been done before.

Again we are talking about the future and there is no way of knowing. This is just speculation.

But if you have a guy that was able to do for a whole season what The Golden Calf of Bristol did in three games. A guy who can throw for 3500 yards, rush for 1000 yards and combine for 35 tds. Find me a guy who has done that.

Again I am not sayong he will do that. But The Golden Calf of Bristol was on pace to do that and he is not as natural a passer, doesnt have the same arm strength, and isn't as good of a runner as Cam. When I think of it like that I think. , "why not?"

[chef17]

Again we are talking about the future and there is no way of knowing. This is just speculation.

But if you have a guy that was able to do for a whole season what The Golden Calf of Bristol did in three games. A guy who can throw for 3500 yards, rush for 1000 yards and combine for 35 tds. Find me a guy who has done that.

Again I am not sayong he will do that. But The Golden Calf of Bristol was on pace to do that and he is not as natural a passer, doesnt have the same arm strength, and isn't as good of a runner as Cam. When I think of it like that I think. , "why not?"

Even Vick has only rushed for 1000 yards once. I just don't see it. But even if he does rush for 1000 and pass for 3500 how will that change the game?

[teeray]

If he wins three super bowls and is dominant than other teams will start to look for QBs like him. One of the reasons that Cunningham and Vick hasn't changed it as much as they could have is bc they haven't won super bowls.

But then Rodgers wins one this year, then Vick wins one, the Newton wins a couple, Vick wins another. Suddenly you will see teams shift how they evaluate the position. Suddenly the premium becomes mobility just like it has in the college game.

I don't want to repeat myself but more athletes are playing QB than ever before in high school and college. The game is evolving. Walter Peyton, emmitt smith don't win many super bowls anymore. Who was the last great running back to win a super bowl?? Willie Parker??

People say they haven't seen the position changed in the last 20 years. Bull poo. 20 years ago you didn't have really good teams taking 75% of their snaps in the shotgun. The position HAS changed and it will again.

[micnificent28]

Even Vick has only rushed for 1000 yards once. I just don't see it. But even if he does rush for 1000 and pass for 3500 how will that change the game?

If he does produce those kind of numbers, don't you think that would become the new standard? The things you look for in a quarterback would change. The mold wouldn't be 6'3 230 pocket passer with a great arm. Eventually everyone would have a quarterback with more ability than being just a gun slinger. Thus changing the way the qb position is played.

[chef17]

If he wins three super bowls and is dominant than other teams will start to look for QBs like him. One of the reasons that Cunningham and Vick hasn't changed it as much as they could have is bc they haven't won super bowls.

But then Rodgers wins one this year, then Vick wins one, the Newton wins a couple, Vick wins another. Suddenly you will see teams shift how they evaluate the position. Suddenly the premium becomes mobility just like it has in the college game.

I don't want to repeat myself but more athletes are playing QB than ever before in high school and college. The game is evolving. Walter Peyton, emmitt smith don't win many super bowls anymore. Who was the last great running back to win a super bowl?? Willie Parker??

People say they haven't seen the position changed in the last 20 years. Bull poo. 20 years ago you didn't have really good teams taking 75% of their snaps in the shotgun. The position HAS changed and it will again.

See even if that happens IMO it will be more because of his passing than his running so teams will still want QBs who are passing first. And even if Newton busts teams will still want mobile QBs. IMO that has to do with defenses getting better at rushing a QB so the offense needs a guy who can move around. So I still don't see how Cam will change the game. As you said the game is evolving. It started before Cam and it will continue after Cam.

[csx]

I dont want a QB to rush for 1,000 yards. Thats what running backs are for. Yes, it's nice to be able to do it here and there when needed but if he's that good a passer as well I don't want him getting hurt doing what we have great running backs for.

[teeray]

I dont want a QB to rush for 1,000 yards. Thats what running backs are for. Yes, it's nice to be able to do it here and there when needed but if he's that good a passer as well I don't want him getting hurt doing what we have great running backs for.

He is bigger and stronger than most running backs. He will be fine he isn't small like Vick and Vick stays relatively (he does get dinged up) healthy but Vick doesn't have to build or strength of a Cam Newton.

And if he runs for 1000 yards and wins us 2 super bowls you won't care whether he was a QB ir a RB.

[micnificent28]

I dont want a QB to rush for 1,000 yards. Thats what running backs are for. Yes, it's nice to be able to do it here and there when needed but if he's that good a passer as well I don't want him getting hurt doing what we have great running backs for.

It seems in in this thread you keep saying you don't want. Your confining the quarterback position to be played Certain way. All I care about is wins, if he picks up a 1000 yards rushing on busted plays so be it. The reality is one way or another the quarterback position is going to change.

And big numbers in the running department might become just as important as big passing numbers. We have to think outside the box be open to all possibilities.