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Another year of the Double M and Pickles

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i think matt moore can be a good QB with the right coaching but i don't think he has that it factor to be an elite QB that can win you games when you need him to...he's more of a game manager in my eyes...i'm tired of game managers...i want a legit QB who can make plays at any point in the game that doesn't have to rely on a strong running game or on an elite WR to bail them out

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What evidence do you have that Clausen's potential just makes him average?

Your evidence is merely "your opinion". there is a difference.

I agree that my whole post was completely based off of my opinion, but for you to throw out last season as evidence against Clausen would be like removing the bloody glove from OJ's case.

That being said, with the evidence presented... I would challenge you to find what there is to prove that he will even be average, let alone better than average?

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...the only thing that can set this franchise back is reaching for a position esp QB.

HF, I don't understand why people would say this about this year's draft. Everyone knows that there is not a consensus #1 pick that stands out and will save franchises (much like what Luck was purported to be). Moreover, the positions where we truly have need can be satisfactorily filled with a lower round (<1), or a vet, which may turn out to be at least equal to round 1 options. A pick like Green or PP would be great, but it's not something that we just have to have in light of what we already have, so I just don't see that setting us back. Stockpiling picks? With this draft? How in the hell are we going to get enough value to stockpile anything? Really? All this being said, I don't see how our #1 draft pick will be a reach. It will be more like a luxury pick because, as luck would have it (pun not intended), our specific situation and this specific draft class (as well as free agents who will become available) doesn't lend itself to a profound loss. In other words, we have little to lose, and much more to gain, so it just may be time to roll the dice on a high profile player, esp. at QB.

Like it or not, that may mean Newton. Worse come to worse, we suck. Then we go get Luck in 2012.

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I agree that my whole post was completely based off of my opinion, but for you to throw out last season as evidence against Clausen would be like removing the bloody glove from OJ's case.

That being said, with the evidence presented... I would challenge you to find what there is to prove that he will even be average, let alone better than average?

Clausen was just a rookie. Failure for a QB his rookie season is the norm. Normally it would the strides he makes from his rookie season to sophomore season that people look to to see if it's time to invest in yet another QB. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Big (Making up for size of penis) Ben, and Bradford are not the norm. Just happen to be recent and on everyone's mind when talking rookie QBs.

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I kept waiting and waiting for Jimmy to show something, anything as a rookie or some type of improvement at least late in the season ala Freeman :(

Than I would be all on the draft AJ Green bandwagon.

I'm not saying another year of Clausen at starter doesn't scare the living hell out of me.

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Clausen was just a rookie. Failure for a QB his rookie season is the norm. Normally it would the strides he makes from his rookie season to sophomore season that people look to to see if it's time to invest in yet another QB. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Big (Making up for size of penis) Ben, and Bradford are not the norm. Just happen to be recent and on everyone's mind when talking rookie QBs.

The evidence that supports is that he possibly didn't get a fair chance last year, which I would agree. But the point i was making was that you could not take many (if any) positives from Clausen's performances and argue that he will be a future "game changer"

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Matt Moore may never be one of the top 5 QBs in the league, but in the right offense with the right weapons I personally think he can make us more than competitive in our division. He seems a perfect fit for what Chud has run in the past. Clausen too, despite what many think, may also work out in Chud's offense assuming Chud works the field in the same way he did with CLE.

I personally would like to see us go with an immediate difference maker, and see what we have out of the 3 young QBs on our roster (yes, Moore is still relatively young). A bolstered defense through PP or Dareus, or an immediate, HUGE upgrade at WR in Green, would help the team immensely.

I personally believe that if you want to beat the quarterbacks in our division you have to get them roughed up and in the dirt. How better to do that than with one of the best D's in the country?

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So the ones that still believe in Jimmy and Matt Moore were cool with us passing on Andrew Luck too??

You honestly can't compare Luck to any other QB prospect so please stop trying.

For the record, I thought Luck wasn't as great as everyone said and he was just a product of everyone else being terrible.

The same thing applies now. No Qbs in the draft are good. They are all just equally as terrible as each other so you have nothing and no one to compare them to so you think they are better than they are.

As much as I support Moore, you had to draft Luck if you had the chance. Now that we don't, we look at the best options and it's currently Moore, then FA. No other option is okay.

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So the ones that still believe in Jimmy and Matt Moore were cool with us passing on Andrew Luck too??

No, but then again, I don't think there is anyone all that close to Andrew Luck left in the draft.

I don't think just because you need a QB you draft one. You draft one if you think he has a very good chance of being a major impact on your team in a positive way (on the field =P). I just don't think that given our situation, the QBs in the draft are that kind of player. So if Hurney & Co look over the QBs and decide one of them is one of those players, then I'll be excited because that means they believe in that guy. I may be skeptical but I'll be supporting them all the same and hoping for the best.

But right now, I personally don't see the QBs in this draft as being a good addition to our situation. I feel like they are reaches.

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So basically all I am hearing is, "It's not fair to Jimmy and Matt because the coaches sucked, blah, blah, blah.

but if Luck had come out suddenly what was fair to Jimmy and Matt go out the window.

Plus you are all going with the premise that Andrew Luck is the greatest QB prospect of all time. I think he is great (safer than Newton) but I don't think the gap is as wide as you think.

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